What Happens When Religious Freedom Becomes Evidence

Cold Open And Core Claim

0:00 SPEAKER_01: The following is the combined podcast episode entitled Prosecutor Bible Study Time.

0:05 SPEAKER_01: This is the audio-only version, presenting facts, evidence, and truth about the Washington State legal system that put righteous Christianity and the Bible on trial.

0:15 SPEAKER_01: Evidence of the corrupt practices by Enum Claw police, along with the undeniable bias and law-lenching tactics employed by King County prosecutors and judges based in Seattle, can be found at www.consider.info.

0:31 SPEAKER_15: The trumpet was sounded.

0:33 SPEAKER_15: Washington State blew the horn.

0:38 SPEAKER_15: Blow, blow, and blow.

0:41 SPEAKER_15: Time to prosecute righteous Christianity.

0:44 SPEAKER_15: Toot toot toot.

0:47 SPEAKER_15: Listen to prosecutors toot their own horns.

0:51 SPEAKER_15: Blow, blow, blow their noses.

0:54 SPEAKER_15: Hear judges blow legal snot.

0:58 SPEAKER_15: Tune to the Consider Podcast as we conduct the sweet music of Truth.

1:07 SPEAKER_15: The Consider Podcast.

1:09 SPEAKER_15: Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.info.

1:19 SPEAKER_10: Are you familiar with a group called the Sound Doctrine Church?

1:23 SPEAKER_10: How is it that you came about joining the Sound Doctrine Church?

1:26 SPEAKER_10: And where was Sound Doctrine Church located?

1:28 SPEAKER_10: Back then, around that time, how many people would you say were members of the church?

1:32 SPEAKER_10: What was it that drew your family to the church at the beginning?

1:35 SPEAKER_10: Did you join the Sound Auction Church have any impact on your connection with your family either and the daughter's country?

1:45 SPEAKER_10: And is one of the first fellowship associated anyway with the found option church?

1:49 SPEAKER_10: And would those transformation members of the found option church?

1:53 SPEAKER_10: Are you familiar with the foundation book stuff?

1:56 SPEAKER_10: What is a rebuke for those who don't understand?

1:59 SPEAKER_10: What is rebuke and what does that mean in the context of the church?

2:04 SPEAKER_10: When you say fellowship, what does that mean?

2:06 SPEAKER_10: Why do you remember the found option church and a member of that community?

2:10 SPEAKER_10: Was it important for you to follow the various teachings and doctrines of the church?

2:16 SPEAKER_10: Or was your understanding of that doctrine?

2:20 SPEAKER_10: Did your beliefs come from your understanding of the doctrine of the church?

2:24 SPEAKER_10: Did have any neighborhood friends that were not members of the foundation church?

2:30 SPEAKER_10: Other than just kids and college.

2:33 SPEAKER_10: And at that time, what was the kind of the leadership?

2:35 SPEAKER_10: How was it who was in charge?

2:38 SPEAKER_10: Did you say your celebration?

2:40 SPEAKER_10: Was that an important thing for you during time to found out?

2:46 SPEAKER_10: How about was there any particular holiday celebration for Christmas?

2:51 SPEAKER_10: Why was it you last celebrated?

3:03 Timothy: How's it going, Jacob?

3:05 Timothy: It's going good.

3:06 Timothy: Got a question for you.

3:07 Timothy: This is this is where I get to get even for all the times you've proven me wrong.

3:11 Timothy: Okay.

3:11 Timothy: If you had a choice, if you're you're family man, you know, you got some kids and stuff, and you had two different villages that you could choose to live in.

3:19 Timothy: And one village is an Amish village.

3:23 Timothy: Hard work, you're living dangerously on the edge, you're drinking raw milk, maybe doing not having vaccinations, you know, working hard all day long.

3:32 Timothy: I mean, it's it's an intense environment.

3:34 Timothy: You've got the Amish community over here, right?

3:37 Timothy: Then you have one that's called It Takes Village by Hillary Clinton.

3:42 Timothy: Which which particular village would you like to live in?

3:45 Timothy: Which one would you put your family in to?

Amish Village Or State Village

3:49 SPEAKER_11: Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

3:56 SPEAKER_11: More information can be found at www.consider.info.

4:01 SPEAKER_11: Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.

4:10 SPEAKER_15: It's Prosecutor Bible Study Time, same old persecution by prosecution.

4:17 SPEAKER_15: Join us for Washington State, King County Prosecutor Jason Simmons Bible Time, where we answer prosecutor Bible questions, Bible questions demanded in corrupt legal courts rather than by attending church.

4:34 SPEAKER_15: John 18, 19 and 20.

4:37 SPEAKER_15: The high priest questioned Jesus about his disciples and his teaching.

4:41 SPEAKER_15: I've spoken openly to the world, Jesus replied.

4:45 SPEAKER_15: I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together.

4:50 SPEAKER_15: I said nothing in secret.

4:53 SPEAKER_15: The Consider Podcast.

4:56 SPEAKER_15: Exhibiting today's wisdom, folly, and madness.info.

5:04 Timothy: Well, before you answer the question, the point of this is we're going to begin to answer Prosecutor Simmons' Bible questions, church questions that he pounded in court.

5:16 Timothy: And it's not really a Bible study, because a Bible study implies somebody actually wants to listen and you open the Bible and you sit down.

5:24 Timothy: I know when I do normal Bible studies with somebody, you sit down, they open the Bible, usually have to wait for them to find the book because they're not even familiar with where to go.

5:33 Timothy: And I give them time to contemplate, to think, to answer, to respond, or to sit there like explain to me more or get out of my house or whatever it is.

5:42 Timothy: But it's a it's a very gentle kind of situation.

5:45 Timothy: This is not going to be that.

5:46 Timothy: This is a contemptuous Bible study, meaning I'm pouring contempt on what he's doing.

5:51 Timothy: Because there is he didn't want any answers.

5:53 Timothy: This was more Satan hissing, you know, in the Garden of Eden and going to Adam and Eve.

5:59 Timothy: Did God really say, Why did you really join the church?

6:02 Timothy: What is leadership like?

6:03 Timothy: It was all the sin of evil suspicions in order to get a guilty verdict.

6:08 Timothy: And by the way, all these questions had nothing to do with the actual crime.

6:12 Timothy: The crime was used to go for the church, and that's explained later on.

6:17 Timothy: Go on to the website, you'll find even more information.

6:20 Timothy: All right.

6:21 Timothy: So this is prosecutor Bible study time.

6:24 Timothy: And I had posed the question to Jacob: which village would you want to live in?

6:28 Timothy: An Amish village or a Hillary Clinton village?

6:30 Timothy: Which one would you like to live in?

6:31 Timothy: Which one would you consider the best choice for your family?

6:35 Jacob: Amish, hands down.

6:36 Jacob: I didn't even know.

6:37 Jacob: I don't know what the Hillary Clinton village is, but I want nothing to do with that.

6:43 Jacob: She wrote a children's book too.

6:44 Jacob: Did she?

6:44 Jacob: I didn't even know.

6:45 Timothy: It takes a village.

6:46 Timothy: It takes a village.

6:47 Timothy: Well, clearly it's supposed to be her village, the Hillary village village.

6:51 Jacob: So the Nazi village, or I don't know what, communist China village.

6:55 Timothy: Well, cocaine, uh, trafficking, Arkansas, forget the humidity, everything else that goes on with that, all the corruption that was going on.

7:02 Timothy: That's the village.

7:03 Timothy: Well, why this is significant is King County prosecutors under Dan Satisberg, he was out promoting Hillary's book and saying it takes a village, and he, you know, he's trying to make it sound like it takes his whole community.

7:16 Timothy: And you know, we're we're your friendly prosecutors, and we're all working together with this.

7:21 Timothy: All the government agencies are coming together to be sure that the philosophy of the Hillary Clinton village is imposed on you.

7:28 Timothy: Now I'm giving you the truth what was taking place.

7:30 Timothy: So you have Sound Doctrine Church, which is after righteousness, holiness, denying self, loving one another, the family unit, everything that's positive and holy and good.

7:40 Timothy: And then you have Hillary Clinton's village.

7:43 Timothy: The damage or the real crime here is that Satysburg and King County prosecutors are not about prosecuting the law or things that are illegal.

7:52 Timothy: They're actually promoting an agenda.

7:55 Timothy: They're actually promoting their village and they're prosecuting people that will not follow that village.

8:01 Timothy: And that's what happened in this particular case.

8:04 Timothy: You were there, you actually filmed most of the trial, you went through the hag crime.

8:10 Timothy: This was all about ideology, wasn't it?

8:12 Timothy: Yes.

8:12 Timothy: It was about this is what the church believes, this is what we need we represent, why were you there?

8:17 Timothy: What do you feel like?

8:19 Timothy: And so that's what was pounded and destroyed.

8:22 Timothy: This really was, in its essence, clean, pure persecution, wickedness against righteousness.

8:29 Timothy: And they were coming at us with everything at that time.

8:31 Timothy: I'm not going to go into all those details.

8:33 Timothy: That's everywhere.

8:37 Timothy: Do a recap, because I don't want to have to go through this whole thing again.

8:41 SPEAKER_12: The following podcast centers around the legal trial of Washington State versus Malcolm Fraser.

Malcolm Fraser Trial Recap

8:47 SPEAKER_12: Mr.

8:47 SPEAKER_12: Fraser was charged with an impossible to commit sexual assault crime by Washington State prosecutors.

8:53 SPEAKER_12: The fact is even the manipulated accusers' testimony proves the crime could not have taken place.

8:59 SPEAKER_12: The prosecutor and hate crime agitator's goal was never to go to trial, but to destroy a Christian church by the weight of the accusations alone.

9:07 SPEAKER_12: A tactic so common that it is in the news today, every day, at every level within the court system.

9:14 SPEAKER_12: The following discussion is taken from actual court transcripts, video recordings, and investigations.

9:20 SPEAKER_12: Many of those speaking on the podcast personally went through the mud pit, unprofessional, and illegal prosecution using a hate crime as the foundation.

9:29 SPEAKER_12: This concise recap is backed up by overwhelming evidence that the City of Enum Claw police, Washington state prosecutors, and judges, for nefarious reasons, corrupted every aspect of the non existent investigation and unconstitutional court proceedings.

9:44 SPEAKER_12: Corruption's now so common that all but unreasonable individuals know it is standard operating procedure within the legal system.

9:52 SPEAKER_12: In short, the Sound Doctrine Christian Church was a victim of what is now termed lawfare.

9:58 SPEAKER_12: The year 2010 saw the compilation of a hate crime against Sound Doctrine Church by City of Enum Claw policeman Grant McCall and his co-conspirators.

10:07 SPEAKER_12: Seattle, Washington state prosecutors of King County used an innocent man to attack Timothy Williams of Sound Doctrine Church.

10:15 SPEAKER_12: Timothy Williams was not charged with any crime.

10:18 SPEAKER_12: Thus, the state of Washington proxy prosecuted Malcolm Fraser to destroy Timothy Williams.

10:24 SPEAKER_12: More than ample evidence can be found at www.consider.info.

10:31 SPEAKER_12: The podcast and history of these events are important to prepare true disciples of Jesus for what could soon take place in their lives or in the lives of their children.

10:40 SPEAKER_12: The proxy prosecution of Malcolm Fraser by Washington State judges was a perfect storm of persecution by prosecution.

10:48 SPEAKER_12: All would do well to prayerfully prepare themselves and their children for what sin-stained dark souled judges, prosecutors, and police will gladly, happily do.

10:58 SPEAKER_12: We on the Consider Podcast pray that God may grant them repentance because it is, as the scriptures declare, a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.

11:10 SPEAKER_12: As Jesus encouraged us when he walked the earth, the Holy Spirit does admonish the Christian today.

11:16 SPEAKER_12: If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.

11:19 SPEAKER_12: Mark chapter 4, verse 23, the Consider Podcast, examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.info.

11:31 Timothy: I won't play that every show we do from here, but always just tack it on the end, Jacob, so people can get a frame of reference.

11:38 Timothy: You know, as a side note, the current King County prosecutor that won an election was trained by Satysburg.

11:45 Timothy: So she's carrying on this corruption of trying to force everybody to follow their ideology, their lifestyle.

11:52 Timothy: In fact, she boasts and brags that she's a woman, the first Korean woman to be voted a prosecutor.

11:58 Timothy: And at the time of election, the paper said that she was shacked up with a police chief.

12:02 Timothy: Now I don't know which is worse, being shacked up or shacked up with a police chief.

12:05 Timothy: And you're talking about some very narrow-minded people who are not in touch with reality at all.

12:11 Timothy: So if her goal, if her pride is that she's a woman, and she did nothing to make that happen, by the way, and that she happened to be living in the United States with lots of good laws that allow her to be elected, and if that's her boast, and that's what she's bragging about, she's not bragging about justice, she's not bragging about truth, she's not bragging about purity, she's not bragging about protecting the rights of everybody.

12:34 Timothy: Her first words out of her mouth is, I'm a woman, I've been elected, and I'm Korean, and what?

12:39 Timothy: That is either North Korean or South Korean law.

12:42 Timothy: I'm not sure which is which, and neither one is particularly good at the moment.

12:45 Timothy: All right, so that ideology is being forced on us, and they're coming in through channels and back channels to destroy the family, to destroy churches, to go after Christians.

12:55 Timothy: And we all kind of know that for one thing because Satan is charge of governing authorities.

12:59 Timothy: But that's the reality of what's taking place.

13:01 Timothy: What churches should do, and it's not gonna happen, is they should take this particular trial and turn it into a Bible study.

13:07 Timothy: Because it really was a perfect storm of righteousness against and wickedness coming against it.

13:14 Timothy: There's a lot of learning that could happen to prepare people for what is about to take place because this is things gonna just keep getting worse and worse across the nation.

13:22 Timothy: Any comments or anything before we go on from there?

13:24 Timothy: No.

13:26 Timothy: All right.

13:28 Timothy: When this trial, when this whole situation, this ordeal started to break open, prosecutors sent over to the police department a request for information.

Prosecutors Ask Police For “Evidence”

13:38 Timothy: So you have this horrendous accusatory crime of sexual misconduct, which of course is always just as easy to crank out.

13:46 Timothy: So you'd think they'd send over requests saying, send us everything you've got on Malcolm Frazier, send us everything you've got on this situation, the house layout, your witnesses, who you're gonna bring, who you're gonna put on trial, what evidence have you gathered together in order to establish that this man is guilty, that we can prosecute, right?

14:04 Timothy: Wouldn't that be the logical thing?

14:06 Jacob: Yeah.

14:06 Jacob: DNA evidence, phone records, uh, you know, uh the living records, receipts.

14:13 Jacob: I mean, this is all you know common lingo for dates.

14:17 Jacob: Talk to everybody in the house.

14:18 Jacob: Photos, where's the yeah, where's the evidence, the the the math, the papers, where's it at?

14:25 Timothy: And the interview of the person that supposedly is the victim would be pure or clean.

14:29 Timothy: You'd have witnesses.

14:30 Timothy: Sure.

14:31 Jacob: There'd be no investigation.

14:34 Jacob: Well, let's just even go on.

14:36 Timothy: Even a half- How about a halfway honest I don't know what a good one even looks like anymore.

14:41 Timothy: Well, yeah, I don't know.

14:42 Timothy: And by the way, he was promoted.

14:43 Timothy: So technically to King County did a good job.

14:46 Timothy: Oh yeah, he did a great job.

14:47 Timothy: When you manipulate a witness, when you lead, when you shut the recorder off, when you delete evidence, when you don't go look for evidence about the crime, hey, that's promotion material.

14:55 Timothy: I mean, why not?

14:56 Timothy: Let's just go there.

14:56 Timothy: Yeah.

14:57 Timothy: All right.

14:57 Timothy: So, prosecutor Jason Simmons, who's no longer a prosecutor, I say that.

15:01 Timothy: He's no longer with King County.

15:02 Timothy: He's doing some other things.

15:03 Timothy: Is it once a prosecutor, always a prosecutor?

15:06 Timothy: Absolutely.

15:07 Timothy: Until you repent.

15:08 Timothy: Yeah.

15:08 Timothy: Um, don't drag me off into why they become prosecutors, because it's not humility and it's not bro, and they're not trying to do us any good.

15:15 Timothy: There's lots of other dark reasons why.

15:19 Timothy: So this is a reading of the actual written email, whatever they send over to the Enam Call police saying this is what we want.

15:27 Timothy: This is this are or these are the important things that we must have in order to establish that this crime actually took place.

15:37 Timothy: This was number one, top of the list, bang for the buck.

15:41 Timothy: This is what they're after.

15:42 Timothy: Have I emphasize enough that this is what they were after, Jacob?

15:44 Timothy: Yes.

15:45 Timothy: All right, let's play and let's listen to what prosecutor Jason Simmons, King County prosecutors, and by the way, it was a whole gang of prosecutors.

15:53 Timothy: They didn't just assign one.

15:54 Timothy: I think they had what, a total of five to start with?

15:56 Timothy: So you got five prosecutors going for this one person who committed a crime.

16:01 Timothy: And according to Satisberg, they were the best.

16:03 Timothy: And this is the best question that they're gonna ask.

16:07 Timothy: Play it.

16:08 SPEAKER_15: The humble in the land will find this legal corruption to be unbelievable.

Inventorying Church Materials Instead Of Facts

16:13 SPEAKER_15: However, the evidence is overwhelming and can be found at www.consider.info or by listening to the Consider podcast.

16:24 SPEAKER_15: Police, prosecutor, and an inflamer of a hate crime conspired to destroy a Christian church.

16:31 SPEAKER_15: Though Timothy Williams was never charged with a crime, he was made the focus point as an innocent man was framed for a crime impossible to commit.

16:41 SPEAKER_15: The following is the first and top request from Seattle Washington State prosecutors.

16:46 SPEAKER_15: The net result of this request was less than 10 vague complaints about the church being sent to the prosecutor's office.

16:53 SPEAKER_15: One of the complaints stating, I have never visited the church, was considered credible enough to send to the prosecutors by City of Enum Claw Detective Grant McCall.

17:04 SPEAKER_15: No tracks, sermons, emails, reports, no materials of any kind were sent over to King County prosecutors regarding case 12-1029 Malcolm Fraser and Sound Doctrine Church.

17:20 SPEAKER_15: Request for information, King County Prosecutor Office.

17:23 SPEAKER_15: Request received December 17, 2012, via email for the following.

17:30 SPEAKER_15: A detailed inventory of any and all materials and documents produced by or related to Sound Doctrine Church or any member thereof in the possession of Detective Grant McCall or the Enam Claw Police Department.

17:45 SPEAKER_15: Such materials and documents may include but are not limited to books, tracks, or sermons by Timothy Williams.

17:52 SPEAKER_15: Number two, any and all documents, materials, records, forms, notes, recordings, correspondence, emails, and logs created or altered by any employee of the Enam Claw Police Department that either directly or indirectly related to the investigation of Malcolm Fraser.

18:12 SPEAKER_15: Request to provide copy to each of the following addresses.

18:15 SPEAKER_15: Jason Simmons, King County Prosecuting Attorney's Office, MRJC 401 Fourth Avenue, Kent, Washington 98032.

18:26 SPEAKER_15: The Consider Podcast.

18:29 SPEAKER_15: Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

18:46 Timothy: Madness.

18:47 Timothy: Yeah.

18:47 Timothy: This is the level of madness.

18:49 Timothy: This is number one.

18:49 Timothy: Again, Malcolm Fraser supposedly committed the crime, but what's the focus?

18:53 Timothy: I know we're going to repeat what's here, but we're going to do it.

18:55 Timothy: Yeah.

18:56 Timothy: Look at I look at this.

18:58 Timothy: A detailed inventory.

18:59 Timothy: Now, Grant McCall testified according to his research and according to his investigations.

19:06 Timothy: He found such and such and such, right?

19:08 Timothy: Yeah.

19:08 Timothy: That was all vague statements.

19:09 Timothy: You know, uh, we found according to our research that Timothy Williams is a selfish individual and everything comes back to him.

19:16 Timothy: Yeah.

19:16 Timothy: Okay.

19:16 Timothy: Okay.

19:17 Timothy: Well, what's is Timothy Williams on trial here?

19:19 Timothy: Is the church on trial here?

19:20 Timothy: Well, yes, the answer was yes, but no, that's not what was going on.

19:23 Timothy: Did he produce one single example, Jacob?

19:27 Timothy: No.

19:27 Timothy: None.

19:28 Timothy: No.

19:28 Timothy: Did the prosecutors offer one simple example?

19:32 Timothy: No.

19:33 Timothy: None.

19:33 Timothy: Zero.

19:34 Timothy: None.

19:34 Timothy: But it was taken as, well, that must be fact.

19:36 Timothy: It must be true.

19:38 Timothy: Therefore, Malcolm Frazier, because Timothy Williams is supposedly self-centered, should be sent to prison.

19:44 Timothy: Yep.

19:44 Timothy: That's a real connection there, isn't it?

19:46 Timothy: Yeah.

19:46 Timothy: So let's go again back over.

19:48 Timothy: Let me back up.

19:49 Timothy: Jacob.

19:50 Timothy: How many tracks do you think I've written?

19:53 Jacob: Um at least, I would say dozens and dozens.

19:58 Jacob: At least a couple, two dozen tracks.

20:00 Jacob: I'm going to throw out a number.

20:01 Jacob: Well, actually, like official, official printed tracks.

20:05 Jacob: A lot.

20:06 Jacob: Well, I was writing tracks before you were born.

20:08 Jacob: Okay.

20:08 Jacob: Well, yeah, okay, that's true.

20:10 Jacob: And they're out there somewhere.

20:11 Jacob: The ones that I've seen.

20:12 Jacob: I know, I hear what you're saying.

20:14 Timothy: It's literally up there.

20:15 Timothy: And I've written books.

20:16 Timothy: Well, in fact, Jason Simmons, in closing arguments, told the jury, I write the books, therefore, Malcolm Fraser obviously should go to prison because I write books.

20:24 Timothy: So a detailed inventory.

20:26 Timothy: Detailed.

20:27 Timothy: Now remember, less than 10 complaints, and I don't even know what those complaints were.

20:33 Timothy: One was like, I've never visited the church, but I'm sure these things are going on.

20:38 Timothy: That was sent over to King County prosecutors as evidence that Malcolm Frazier had committed a crime.

20:43 Timothy: Totally absurd.

20:44 Timothy: This is just like mad territory.

20:46 Timothy: Okay, we keep trying to go with that.

20:47 Timothy: A detailed inventory.

20:49 Timothy: Detailed.

20:50 Timothy: A breakdown.

20:51 Timothy: I have made information request after information request saying, send me over this detail.

20:56 Timothy: It's never there.

20:57 Timothy: There's nothing.

20:58 Timothy: Now there's more of this going on behind the scenes, but that's beside the point.

21:01 Timothy: Let's take them at their word.

21:03 Timothy: A detailed inventory of any and all materials and documents produced by or related to Sound Doctrine Church or any member thereof.

21:15 Timothy: That means everything Carlo wrote, that was my wife before she passed away.

21:18 Timothy: Anybody else that wrote anything, anybody else that taught classes, which they did, that means Grant McCall surely had all this information.

21:25 Timothy: And if we were so deadly, if we were so dangerous, surely they sent in some undercover police people to examine the church, wouldn't you think, right?

21:34 Timothy: Sure, if we were that evil.

21:35 Timothy: That evil busting up a ring.

21:39 Timothy: Even and twistled.

21:40 Timothy: So if there's something evil and twisted, what would you do?

21:43 Timothy: You'd send somebody undercover, right?

21:45 Jacob: Sure.

21:45 Jacob: You'd you'd certainly do an actual investigation.

21:48 Timothy: Well, you know, I kind of laugh.

21:50 Timothy: I I it would have been a pleasure for them to send undercover because they'd have been easy to spot, number one.

21:56 Timothy: It's not like you can come in and fake interest in the gospel.

21:59 Timothy: No, The gospel of this being preached at Sound Doctrine Church or was.

22:02 Timothy: Yeah.

22:03 Timothy: All right.

22:04 Timothy: All materials, documents produced by, or related to Sound Doctrine Church, or any member thereof.

22:09 Timothy: Of course, a lot of this is an intimidation factor, but the point is McCall sent nothing.

22:13 Timothy: There was nothing.

22:14 Timothy: He had nothing.

22:15 Timothy: In the possession of Detective Grant McCall, there's a Salt Shaker bookstore.

22:19 Timothy: Not one track from the Salt Shaker Christian bookstore off the free rack.

22:22 Timothy: Not one track.

22:23 Timothy: Not one book.

22:24 Timothy: Not one.

22:24 Timothy: There were sermons.

22:25 Timothy: How many sermons have I done just in the time you've probably known me?

22:30 Jacob: A couple hundred.

22:31 Timothy: A couple hundred.

22:32 Timothy: I think you're underestimating, but that's just because I can't.

22:35 Jacob: I'm thinking of the uh remember the racks where all the tapes.

22:38 Jacob: Yeah.

22:38 Timothy: So he literally could have sent over a hundred CDs.

22:40 Timothy: Yeah, different sermons, right?

22:42 Jacob: Well, they didn't send over any, though.

22:45 Jacob: I mean, even if you go to the free rack that was at the Salt Shaker, there was at least a couple dozen CDs and then the tracks.

22:51 Jacob: Sure, and pictures of the tracks.

22:53 Jacob: Yeah, all this stuff.

22:54 Timothy: So you would think in the possession that Simmons has all the answers he needs because all these sermon tapes were sent over.

23:01 Timothy: All these books were sent over.

23:02 Timothy: All this information was sent over.

23:04 Timothy: There was no need for him to ask any questions during the court trial because it was all answered before he ever got there.

23:09 Timothy: Because McCall would have sent over all this information.

23:12 Timothy: Now, let me ask you a question.

23:14 Timothy: You have to think a little bit like a good detective, right?

23:16 Timothy: You tell the policeman, hey, you've made all these accusations, this is huge, the church is bad, because they've talked behind the scenes.

23:22 Timothy: You know, it's evil, twisted, it's all send me over everything you've got as this super detective that's going to be promoted and all these things.

23:29 Timothy: Send this over to me.

23:30 Timothy: And he sends you over less than 10 short little letters that state, we don't like the church.

23:37 Timothy: Now, what what would you what would be your initial reaction?

23:40 Jacob: Wait, if I was an actual good detective?

23:42 Jacob: Yeah, or a prosecutor.

23:44 Jacob: Um, well, you'd be like, Well, this is a joke.

23:46 Jacob: You're wasting my time.

23:47 Jacob: This isn't real evidence.

23:49 Jacob: And then you'd combine it that he said alone with the accuser, that he manipulated all the time.

23:53 Timothy: You would speak down the line.

23:54 Jacob: Yeah.

23:54 Timothy: Now, none of that.

23:55 Timothy: Yeah.

23:56 Timothy: Of course not.

23:56 Timothy: Any member thereof in the possession of Detective Grant McCall or the Inquaul Police Department and the Inunqual Police Department, which implies other detectives had other information.

24:05 Timothy: Well, they didn't have any other information.

24:06 Timothy: Yeah.

24:07 Timothy: But I bet they had Incall Detective McGrant McCall's slander.

24:10 Timothy: All right.

24:11 Timothy: Such materials and documents may include, but are not limited to books, tracts, or sermons by Timothy Williams, which means the other people that preached, as I've already mentioned, my wife who passed away, all of her teachings, all the things that were done.

24:23 Timothy: I mean, there's a buku amount of material there if you wanted to send it over.

24:27 Timothy: He had none of it.

24:28 Timothy: He sent zero over.

24:29 Timothy: Because why?

24:30 Timothy: There was no interest in the truth of the situation, not only in the supposed crime that Malcolm Fraser committed, but no truth into what Sound Doctrine Church was about.

24:39 Timothy: By the way, we paid at our expense a private detective or a private investigator to come in and look at the whole church situation.

24:46 Timothy: They were highly impressed with what the church was.

24:48 Timothy: So there's a file there.

24:50 Timothy: There's no excuse for what King County prosecutors did other than their criminal activity and corruption.

24:56 Timothy: All right, number two, any and all documents, materials, records, forms, notes, recordings, correspondence, emails, and logs created or altered by any employee of the Incall Police Department that are either directly or indirectly related to the investigation of Malcolm Fraser.

25:13 Timothy: None were sent over.

25:15 Timothy: Huh?

25:15 Timothy: There was no investigation.

25:17 Jacob: Well, they had a lot of indirectly related material or slanderous comments, I guess.

25:23 Jacob: But nothing that was directly related.

25:25 Jacob: No.

25:25 Jacob: Well, he says indirectly related.

25:26 Jacob: Yeah.

25:27 Jacob: I'm not even aware.

25:27 Jacob: Do they have indirect what was the indirect stuff?

25:30 Jacob: Well, no, the indirect would okay, because number two, if we're talking about Malcolm Fraser specifically, indirectly would be like all of the church stuff, which they of course didn't produce either.

25:40 Jacob: So I'm just saying there was there is, or no, I guess they well, because you know what I mean.

25:43 Jacob: Indirectly would be like these extra things floating out there that we might get a nibble on, which was just a bunch of garbage.

25:50 Jacob: So they did drag in indirect related material to the investigation of Malcolm Fraser.

25:55 Jacob: It was all just garbage, though.

25:56 Timothy: Well, I understand that, but it wasn't limited to like nine.

25:59 Timothy: And you may know more.

26:00 Timothy: There's so the reason why we have to go back and forth, there's so much junk to this thing.

26:03 Timothy: Sure.

26:04 Timothy: And when they're saying indirect, you're going, okay, well, what's indirect mean and all that?

26:08 Jacob: Even indirect by the nature of the word is whatever you want to make up, whatever's indirectly, so it's not even related.

26:15 Jacob: Indirect means it's not directly related to the investigation malgabrication.

26:19 Timothy: If you think of an indirect thing that wasn't actually related to it that they actually sent over?

26:23 Timothy: See, I can't think of anything.

26:24 Timothy: Oh.

26:25 Jacob: Well, at the time, well, sure, McCall's didn't he send over garbage emails uh like between Athena and about Athena's.

26:34 Jacob: Okay, Athena's mom, maybe.

26:36 Jacob: Okay.

26:37 Jacob: That's what I'm saying.

26:38 Jacob: I mean, there is, you know, it was just garbage though.

26:40 Jacob: It was there was no evidence, but it was indirectly related because it had nothing, it had nothing to do.

26:45 Jacob: There was no relation, but they're asking for indirect material.

26:48 Timothy: Well, it was McCall writing to Fraser's mother saying that we need to find the true Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

26:54 Timothy: Yeah, yeah.

26:55 Timothy: It was preaching his gospel.

26:56 Timothy: I hear what you're saying.

26:57 Timothy: Yeah.

26:58 Timothy: This is the problem.

26:59 Timothy: There's so in other words, it was everything, but when you all backed up and looked at it, it was a nothing.

27:04 Timothy: Oh, yeah, there was nothing.

27:06 Timothy: All right.

27:07 Timothy: So the main point here is we're going to play the clip in a minute.

27:10 Timothy: This is throughout the trial, Prosecutor Simmons and his gang are asking all of these questions about the church.

27:16 Timothy: Now, Judge Laurie K.

27:17 Timothy: Smith decided that they could say anything bad about the church, but we couldn't say good even about Malcolm Fraser.

27:24 Timothy: So this is a total setup about the church.

27:26 Timothy: So supposedly it was about the behavior of the church, and we may be into a little bit of debate here, but these aren't behavioral questions.

27:33 Timothy: These are doctrinal questions that he's mostly asking.

27:36 Timothy: There are a few that could kind of qualify as behavior, but for the most part, it is, well, what's this concept and what's this here?

27:42 Timothy: I realize it's a little mixed up.

27:44 Timothy: Any comment on that?

27:45 Timothy: Or am I just I'm trying to explain the unexplainable?

27:48 Timothy: Well, yeah, some of it's explaining the unexplainable here.

27:52 Timothy: All right, we'll play his questions, and we're going to address these as we go on in future shows.

Doctrinal Questions Used As Weapons

27:57 SPEAKER_10: Are you familiar with a group called the Sound Doctrine Church?

28:01 SPEAKER_10: How is it that you came about to join the Sound Doctrine Church?

28:04 SPEAKER_10: And where was Sound Doctrine Church associated?

28:06 SPEAKER_10: Back then, around that time, how many people would you say were members of the church?

28:10 SPEAKER_10: What was it that drew your family to the church at the beginning?

28:13 SPEAKER_10: Did you join the Sound Doctrine Church had any impact on your connection with your family other than Jessica and the dynasty?

28:23 SPEAKER_10: And is one church fellowship and associated in any way with the Sound Doctrine Church?

28:28 SPEAKER_10: And would those friends from Hook School be members of the Sound Doctrine Church?

28:31 SPEAKER_10: Are you familiar with the Fellowship of Hook School?

28:34 SPEAKER_10: To begin with, what is a rebuke?

28:36 SPEAKER_10: Those of us who don't understand what is a rebuke and what's that mean in the context of the church?

28:41 SPEAKER_10: And when you say fellowship, what does that mean?

28:44 SPEAKER_10: While you remember the Sound Doctrine Church and a member of that community, was it important for you to follow the various teachings and doctrines of the church?

28:54 SPEAKER_10: Or was your understanding of that doctrine?

28:56 SPEAKER_10: While a member of the Sound Doctrine Church, did your beliefs come from your understanding of the doctrine of the church?

29:02 SPEAKER_10: Did have any neighborhood friends that were not members of Sound Doctrine Church?

29:08 SPEAKER_10: Are they just kids in college?

29:11 SPEAKER_10: And at that time, what was the kind of the leadership?

29:13 SPEAKER_10: How was it?

29:14 SPEAKER_10: Who was in charge?

29:16 SPEAKER_10: When you say your salvation, was that an important thing for you during the time in Sound Doctrine Church?

29:21 SPEAKER_10: Do you in the Sound Doctrine Church really celebrate birthdays?

29:24 SPEAKER_10: How about was there any particular holiday celebration for Christmas, anything of that nature?

29:29 SPEAKER_10: Why was it you left Sound Doctrine Church?

29:34 Timothy: Okay.

29:35 Timothy: This isn't a court of law talking to people who've decided they don't want to follow Jesus Christ anymore, and you're asking questions here that literally could take years to explain, to work out, and to live.

29:46 Timothy: Now we're gonna I'm gonna address these, and but it's gonna be a very quick kind of fashion.

29:51 Timothy: And none of these questions have anything remotely to do whether somebody committed a bad act or not.

29:59 Timothy: Correct.

30:00 Timothy: Most of it, if you'll see, is feelings.

30:02 Timothy: What did you feel like?

30:03 Timothy: And where did your doctrines come from?

30:05 Timothy: Did you really expect them to come up with the truth about all these things?

30:08 Timothy: And we'll get into that here in a moment.

30:10 Timothy: But I want to explain something, and this is for people that are going to face this kind of persecution because what he did is a perfect example of the persecution that Jesus faced and Jesus promised that we would face.

30:22 Timothy: And there has to be, if you're doing what is holy in Jesus Christ and you're following the Holy Spirit, picking up your cross, hating your life, and you know that you're walking in the truth, and you're not actually in any sin here, you haven't really committed any crimes, but they're setting you up in every way that they can to demolish you.

Daniel 3 And Refusing To Bow

30:41 Timothy: This needs to be your central attitude.

30:43 Timothy: Now we're going to play, this is from the book of Daniel, Daniel chapter 3, verses 10 through 20.

30:48 Timothy: It's a little bit long, but it's very important we lay a proper foundation right here before we start moving forward.

30:53 Timothy: So go ahead and play this and let's listen to the scripture, and then I'm going to emphasize one particular section of this passage.

31:02 SPEAKER_00: You have issued a decree, O king, that everyone who hears the sound of the horn, flute, zyther, lyre, pipes, and all kinds of music must fall down and worship the image of gold, and that whoever does not fall down and worship will be thrown into a blazing furnace.

31:21 SPEAKER_00: But there are some Jews whom you have set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who pay no attention to you, O king.

31:31 SPEAKER_00: They neither serve your gods nor worship the image of gold you have set up.

31:36 SPEAKER_00: Furious with rage, Nebuchadnezzar summoned Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.

31:42 SPEAKER_00: So these men were brought before the king, and Nebuchadnezzar said to them, Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the image of gold I have set up?

31:54 SPEAKER_00: Now when you hear the sound of the horn, the flute, xyther, lyre, harp, pipes, and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good.

32:08 SPEAKER_00: But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace.

32:15 SPEAKER_00: Then what God will be able to rescue you from my hand?

32:19 SPEAKER_00: Shadrach, Meshach, and Nebednegal replied to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter.

32:29 SPEAKER_00: If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it.

32:36 SPEAKER_00: And he will rescue us from your hand, O King.

32:40 SPEAKER_00: But even if he does not, we want you to know, O King, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.

32:51 SPEAKER_00: Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach, and Nebednego, and his attitude toward them changed.

32:58 SPEAKER_00: He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual, and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach, and Nebednego and throw them into the blazing furnace.

33:11 SPEAKER_00: Daniel 3, 10 through 20.

33:16 Timothy: Doesn't that sound just like a prosecutor?

33:18 Timothy: Noisy, bombastic.

33:21 Timothy: Bow down, submit to us.

33:23 Timothy: This is who we are, these are our laws, this is what we represent.

33:26 Timothy: Most every uh Bible study group, children knows this story.

33:32 Timothy: But what's important here is notice that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abendigo replied to the king, and this was their attitude.

33:39 Timothy: Oh Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter.

33:45 Timothy: I do not owe prosecutor Jason Simmons, King County prosecutors, or any other government organization an explanation for living and following Jesus Christ.

33:58 Timothy: Everything that was done was done wholly, was done righteous, was done in the utmost of love and laying down my life for other people.

34:06 Timothy: And I do not on any level owe them an explanation.

34:10 Timothy: And I might explain and I might preach, but you need to understand very clearly, I owe you nothing.

34:18 Timothy: You have no authority in this matter.

34:21 Timothy: This was none of your business.

34:23 Timothy: Grant McCall's simple Simon Baptist doctrine, King James only.

34:27 Timothy: You got a procreate doctrine, is not the standard by which Jesus Christ is measured, nor that which is holy.

34:35 Timothy: And you chose to accept a corrupt cop and your pride, and you came in and you told me you were happy to send forth all your forces and all your fire and all that you could bring against to destroy.

34:47 Timothy: And you did destroy much, and you will be held accountable.

34:50 Timothy: There will be hell to pay unless you repent.

34:53 Timothy: But I'm going to repeat it one more time.

34:55 Timothy: I don't owe anybody any explanation for doing what is right and what is holy.

35:01 Timothy: And unless the church wakes up and has this attitude, they're going to be mowed down.

35:05 Timothy: They're going to do what everybody else does.

35:06 Timothy: They're going to forsake Jesus Christ.

35:08 Timothy: They're going to begin to try and defend themselves.

35:10 Timothy: They're going to reach out to protect themselves, and they're going to fall away from Jesus Christ.

35:14 Timothy: This is not a game.

35:16 Timothy: I love Jesus Christ with all my heart, all my mind, and all my soul, and he is a good God.

35:21 Timothy: And I do not owe you anything, you pearls.

35:24 Timothy: I am not going to throw pearls to pigs.

35:27 Timothy: Any comments on that, Jacob?

35:29 Timothy: No.

35:33 Timothy: The next clip that we're going to look at comes from somebody that was involved, Sound Doctrine Church.

35:39 Timothy: They were a member.

35:40 Timothy: They were baptized.

35:41 Timothy: And I actually admired the person.

35:43 Timothy: They decided they didn't want to follow Jesus Christ.

35:46 Timothy: They decided that they understood what the cost was.

35:49 Timothy: I don't remember if they were there for the whole hate crime or if they left somewhere in the beginning or whatever.

35:54 Timothy: But at one point, this person has stated, look, I know what the cost is.

35:58 Timothy: I just don't want to pay.

35:59 Timothy: But they're honest.

35:59 Timothy: They're clear.

36:00 Timothy: They're not slandering.

36:01 Timothy: They're not out making anything up to justify themselves.

36:04 Timothy: They're not ganging up and refining their lies and telling authorities what they want to hear so they can get all puffed up.

36:10 Timothy: They're not using lawfare.

36:12 Timothy: They're not doing anything.

36:12 Timothy: It's very truthful in what he says.

36:15 Timothy: The Jezebel that was involved in doing this hate crime did so on a worldwide scale.

36:21 Timothy: It was everywhere to everyone, multiple lies.

36:24 Timothy: Every time something was answered, it just multiplied over and over again.

36:27 Timothy: Anyway, one of the things this Jezebel tried to do in the middle of this hate crime with Jason Simmons and King County prosecutors and Grant McCall and getting us run out of Enam Claw was to get National Geographic to come in with their cameras to follow the cult around.

36:43 Timothy: So she's contacting National Geographic saying, yeah, you really need to follow them around.

36:48 Timothy: Not because there's anything there, but it just adds to the confusion.

36:51 Timothy: And any response in front of cameras following you around could be misconstrued to be anything like cult-like, right?

36:58 Timothy: This post that's being read was his response to Jezebel doing these kinds of things.

37:04 Timothy: Go ahead and play this and listen to carefully what he's telling you because righteousness is boring.

37:09 Timothy: Doing the right thing is worry.

37:11 Timothy: There was nothing to find at sound doctrine.

37:14 Timothy: There was nothing out of the norm.

37:15 Timothy: They could have come to church at any time and they would not have found anything out of the norm, correct?

37:20 Timothy: Correct.

37:20 Timothy: All right, go ahead and play this.

37:23 SPEAKER_00: The following read was in response to the hate crime activity.

37:27 SPEAKER_00: Though this person decided that following Jesus was not for them, they still maintain the clarity of truth.

37:34 SPEAKER_00: December 22nd, 2012, 246 PM.

37:38 SPEAKER_00: I can only laugh at both your absurdity.

37:41 SPEAKER_00: Having known you both personally, it makes it even more funny.

37:46 SPEAKER_00: One step more, as I now no longer attend Sound Doctrine, your request is more ludicrous.

37:52 SPEAKER_00: What exactly are you wanting to film?

37:55 SPEAKER_00: Maybe you'll see some people walking to work in the morning, and a group of highly dedicated individuals who serve their community and their fellow man.

38:03 SPEAKER_00: Maybe you should try doing that instead of inciting hatred.

38:08 SPEAKER_00: Or do you really think the church window getting shot had nothing to do with your antics?

38:13 SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, and I'm just making sure but that$3.5 million company is the one you ruined twice, ran a Ponzi scheme with, and wouldn't even be around it if it weren't for Timothy Williams and his godly leadership?

38:25 SPEAKER_00: God gave most of us brains.

38:28 SPEAKER_00: Maybe you should start using yours.

38:31 Timothy: Pretty bold statement for somebody that wasn't even in the church at that time.

38:36 Timothy: Alright.

38:38 Timothy: Anything before we kind of press on, because I'm going to try now to answer Prosecutor Simmons' Bible questions.

38:46 Timothy: Anything you want to say?

38:47 Jacob: No.

38:48 Timothy: Anything I need to clarify or um come in and hone in a little bit on?

38:53 Timothy: Nope.

38:53 Timothy: All right.

38:54 Timothy: Well, let's lay a foundation.

Scriptures And Power Of God

38:56 Timothy: Okay, Mr.

38:56 Timothy: Simmons.

38:58 Timothy: You have to understand.

38:59 Timothy: Let's go to Matthew chapter 22, verse 29.

39:02 Timothy: Because you ask all these Bible questions, I'm sure you have your Bible open, and let's go look at that.

39:07 Timothy: I mean, you've read my books, you've looked at everything.

39:10 Timothy: Matthew 22, verse 29.

39:13 Timothy: Jacob, why don't you go ahead and read that?

39:14 Timothy: Are you there?

39:15 Timothy: Mm-hmm.

39:15 Timothy: All right, go ahead and read that.

39:16 Jacob: Jesus replied, You are in error because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God.

39:24 Timothy: Mr.

39:25 Timothy: Simmons, because you didn't want to look at scripture, because I've watched prosecutors, I've watched how police look.

39:30 Timothy: If they don't want to look at something, they just don't look.

39:32 Timothy: That way they can say, Well, I didn't see it.

39:35 Timothy: But what they do is they live a lie by ignoring the truth.

39:38 Timothy: But there's two things that are required to understand Sound Doctrine Church.

39:42 Timothy: One are the scriptures.

39:43 Timothy: Wouldn't you say my sermons are pretty scriptural, Jacob?

39:46 Timothy: Yes.

39:47 Timothy: And you got to have number two, the power of God.

39:49 Timothy: That's something that Prosecutor Simmons, King County Prosecutors, let's go down the list.

39:53 Timothy: I won't keep going down.

39:54 Timothy: They've never experienced the power of God, nor do they even bother to look at scriptures.

39:59 Timothy: If they looked at the scriptures and what I preached, they would see just how balanced it is.

40:02 Timothy: There's nothing out of the norm.

40:04 Timothy: It might be offensive, and it might seem to you that's well, how do you live this out?

40:08 Timothy: Well, that's the whole point.

40:09 Timothy: You have to know the power of God.

40:11 Timothy: You have to live these things out in order to understand them.

40:14 Timothy: I can describe certain details to you, but this is the foundation that was Sound Doctrine Church.

40:20 Timothy: Let's read Galatians chapter 5, verse 6.

40:23 Timothy: And actually, I'll go ahead and read it.

40:24 Timothy: I'll give you time to get there.

40:25 Timothy: Go ahead, Mr.

40:26 Timothy: Simmons.

40:26 Timothy: Go to Galatians chapter 5, verse 6.

40:29 Timothy: That's in the New Testament.

40:31 Timothy: This was Sound Doctrine Church.

40:33 Timothy: The only thing that counts.

40:36 Timothy: Are you following me?

40:37 Timothy: The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

40:42 Timothy: You attacked directly love.

40:45 Timothy: Everything that was done at Sound Doctrine Church was by the power of God's selfless love, and you turned that into something vile.

40:54 Timothy: You did the old Satan thing where Satan comes into the garden and goes, did God really say?

40:59 Timothy: Or when he took Satan took Jesus up on to, you know, to be tempted in the desert, well, it is written here.

41:05 Timothy: And if you do this here, it was all sinister.

41:07 Timothy: I really call it the snake-es Bible study, where you're just hissing.

41:12 Timothy: That no matter what you say, they're not interested in answers.

41:15 Timothy: They're only interested in being skeptical.

41:17 Timothy: I mean, after all, Prosecutor Simmons objected to us having an abuse prevention policy in place of the church.

41:24 Timothy: Remember that?

41:24 Timothy: Yes, I do.

41:25 Timothy: And let me repeat that to everyone.

41:26 Timothy: Yes, everybody, write this down.

41:28 Timothy: Prosecutor Jason Simmons objected to us, Sound Doctrine Church, having an abuse prevention policy.

41:35 Timothy: What he said was, well, why is it so necessary in a church so small that you have an abuse prevention policy?

41:42 Jacob: That's just madness.

41:43 Jacob: Which is also the standard.

41:45 Jacob: Like that's that's even the standard in most churches is that, you know, there's some there's you know, the the Sunday school teachers get a background check.

41:54 Jacob: Like that's the standard.

41:55 Timothy: Yeah, and that we did the stand, we even did the minimum, but correct.

41:58 Timothy: We went on with the power of God.

41:59 Timothy: Everybody kept everybody in count.

42:00 Timothy: Everybody knew what's going on, walking in the wheel.

42:02 Jacob: But he's he's picking it out like you know, like it was an evil twisted thing when it wasn't.

42:07 Jacob: Correct.

42:07 Timothy: But what what kind of vile darkness has to be in the Judge Laurie K.

42:13 Timothy: Smith would let that kind of insinuating type thing like having and a jury sitting there hearing that, like he's attacking an abuse without any evidence.

42:23 Timothy: Okay, what's the evidence that that was somehow something evil?

42:26 Timothy: Yeah.

42:27 Timothy: It's just it's just a question to it's satanic in nature.

42:32 Timothy: Philippians chapter 4, verse 5.

42:34 Timothy: Jacob, I'll let you read that one.

42:37 Jacob: Philippians 4, verse 5.

42:40 Jacob: Let your gentleness be evident to all.

42:42 Jacob: The Lord is near.

42:43 Timothy: In everything that was done in sound doctrine, wasn't it gentleness?

42:47 Timothy: Yes.

42:47 Timothy: If it wasn't, I would have confessed it.

42:49 Timothy: I'd have gone back and said, I'm sorry, I went over.

42:51 Timothy: I'm not saying that you weren't rebuked, and I'm not saying some things weren't made clear.

42:55 Timothy: And these podcasts, some people may not say they're gentle.

42:57 Timothy: There's a gentleness through it all.

42:58 Timothy: Is there not just woven within this, like repent, change?

43:02 Timothy: There's a gentleness that comes through.

43:03 Timothy: This doesn't mean you're you're meaty miley in the corner just saying nothing, but it is evident that this isn't coming from viciousness or hatred.

43:11 Timothy: It's not a prosecutor kind of, oh, I'm happy to put you in the corner and I'm gonna torment you here with questions.

43:16 Timothy: This isn't a cross-examination to make you just look like a complete idiot, correct?

43:21 Timothy: Correct.

43:22 Timothy: Let your gentleness be evident to all.

43:24 Timothy: The Lord is near.

43:25 Timothy: That's right.

43:26 Timothy: The Lord is near.

43:27 Timothy: And if I was anything remotely, even close, I would be thoroughly judged by the Lord, and rightly so.

43:34 Timothy: All right, here we go.

43:35 Timothy: This was, you know, churches go dress a certain way.

43:39 Timothy: What what I hate to bring this up, Jake.

43:41 Timothy: What do they come dressed with today?

43:43 Timothy: What what do people show up in church?

43:45 Timothy: Uh, well, a mainstream church, you come as you are.

43:48 Timothy: Come as you are.

43:49 Timothy: Sweatshirts, t shirts, sandals.

43:51 Timothy: I've seen pastors.

43:52 Timothy: I don't like are you at the beach or are you at the pulpit?

43:55 Timothy: Hoodies, yeah, printed t shirts, all that kind of thing.

43:59 Timothy: All right.

44:00 Timothy: That's a little digging.

44:01 Timothy: Jacob's out what that's about.

44:02 Timothy: All right.

44:03 Timothy: This is what Sound Doctrine Church was like.

44:06 Timothy: This is how we dressed.

44:08 Timothy: Colossians 3 12.

44:11 Timothy: Therefore, as God's chosen people.

44:14 Timothy: Oh, that hang on, Mr.

44:15 Timothy: Simmons.

44:16 Timothy: This isn't we're all puffed up, and I'm Mr.

44:18 Timothy: Tim Williams, and I'm chosen.

44:20 Timothy: No, no, no.

44:21 Timothy: That's not what this is about.

44:22 Timothy: This is the power of God that can crucify pride.

44:25 Timothy: Therefore, as God's chosen people holy and dearly loved, that drives us to our knees.

44:33 Timothy: When we realize that God is holy and that he loves us, I don't know about everybody else, but it it drives me to my knees and speechless in tears that he would love someone as unworthy as myself.

44:49 Timothy: Clothe yourselves with compassion.

44:52 Timothy: Clothe yourselves with compassion.

44:54 Timothy: At one point, Simmons remember he's asking, well, she actually was a social worker at the time who he got mad because she wouldn't answer according to the governmental social worker system.

45:03 Timothy: Said, Well, why did you put up with this, Jezebel, for so long?

45:07 Timothy: And she goes, Well, we just don't give up.

45:09 Timothy: That's right.

45:10 Timothy: It's called compassion.

45:11 Timothy: It's called kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience.

45:14 Timothy: Let me read that again.

45:16 Timothy: Therefore, as God's chosen people holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion.

45:24 Timothy: Clothe yourselves with kindness.

45:26 Timothy: Clothe yourselves with humility.

45:28 Timothy: Clothe yourself with gentleness and patience.

45:31 Timothy: And let me tell you, that only happens because of a church pursuing righteousness and holiness.

45:36 Timothy: This isn't come about because we all decide to be like what?

45:42 Timothy: This is a very active, powerful kind of faith.

45:45 Timothy: You got to know the power of God that can clothe us with these kinds of things where we really do love one another and lay down our life for one another.

45:52 Timothy: Let me keep reading.

45:53 Timothy: Colossians 3.13.

45:54 Timothy: Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another.

46:00 Timothy: You see what happens when you're in the body, we all make a lot of mistakes.

46:04 Timothy: And even when we're doing our best and doing our best, we still fail in the doing of our best.

46:08 Timothy: We kind of bruise each other up, don't we?

46:10 Timothy: So we bear with each other's failings until we mature and grow up, forgiving whatever grievances we may have against one.

46:17 Timothy: There was a tremendous amount of forgiveness, and let's move forward.

46:19 Timothy: As long as a person wanted to continue to pick up their cross and follow Jesus Christ and seek God for with all their heart and all their mind and their soul, the greatest amount of bearing with one another and forgiving one another was present at all times and every place.

46:32 Timothy: There was so much joy and gentleness within the church that when I think of what you have done and your prosecutors have done, it drives me to several emotions.

46:41 Timothy: One, tears and pleading before God that you repent, anger and frustration of your stubbornness has now been what, 12 years at least, 10 years, a decade, and you still and we've proven every single lie behind the scenes that I know they were told, and the ones that were in court, have we not thoroughly proven all of them to be wrong?

46:59 Timothy: Yes.

46:59 Timothy: And they still will not repent on any level.

47:02 Timothy: Forgive as the Lord forgave you.

47:05 Timothy: Wow.

47:06 Timothy: I you see, you see, Simmons, this is why it would take years to how could I possibly discuss in a courtroom and on a podcast within a limited amount of time to forgive as the Lord forgave you?

47:18 Timothy: Isn't that not profound and deep and powerful?

47:22 Timothy: Difficult to explain, difficult to live.

47:24 Timothy: How do we live that kind of thing?

47:27 Timothy: Then, in spite of that, Colossians 3.14 says, and over all these virtues, all these things.

47:32 Timothy: You see, that's why Sound Doctor could not be busy in all these nefarious things you talk about.

47:37 Timothy: We're too busy trying to do these things.

47:39 Timothy: And over all these virtues, put on love.

47:43 Timothy: Put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

47:47 Timothy: You know, when McCall blasphemed the Holy Spirit by saying everything comes back to Timothy Williams.

47:55 Timothy: What he was really seeing was the unity that comes from God's love that brings a church together.

48:01 Timothy: And we're going to answer that question about what about leadership?

48:05 Timothy: What about leadership?

48:06 Timothy: But it's love that binds all of us together in perfect unity.

48:10 Timothy: What you destroyed, Mr.

48:11 Timothy: Simmons, and your fellow gang of prosecutor was the perfect unity and love of Jesus Christ in a church.

48:19 SPEAKER_11: Nothing on the Consider Podcast should be considered legal or life advice.

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48:23 SPEAKER_11: Each is admonished to seek a holy God and obey by picking up a cross to follow Jesus.

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48:48 Timothy: It's going good.

48:49 Timothy: Don't actually have a question for you today.

48:51 Timothy: I have a job for you.

48:53 Timothy: I found a good paying job.

48:54 Timothy: We'll talk about it right after the intro.

48:57 SPEAKER_11: Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

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49:09 SPEAKER_11: Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.

49:18 SPEAKER_15: It's prosecutor Bible study time, same old persecution by prosecution.

49:25 SPEAKER_15: Join us for Washington State, King County Prosecutor Jason Simmons Bible Time, where we answer prosecutor Bible questions.

49:34 SPEAKER_15: Bible questions demanded in corrupt legal courts rather than by attending church.

49:41 SPEAKER_15: John 18, 19 and 20.

49:44 SPEAKER_15: The high priest questioned Jesus about his disciples and his teaching.

49:49 SPEAKER_15: I've spoken openly to the world, Jesus replied.

49:52 SPEAKER_15: I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together.

49:58 SPEAKER_15: I said nothing in secret.

50:01 SPEAKER_15: The Consider Podcast.info.

50:13 Timothy: We're doing uh Prosecutor Simmons Bible study time.

50:18 Timothy: Actually, he's not a prosecutor now, so it's Mr.

50:20 Timothy: Simmons' Bible study time.

50:22 Timothy: But all the questions and things that we're looking at, he posed in a court of law.

50:28 Timothy: Jacob, remember I said I had a job for you?

50:31 Timothy: Yeah.

50:31 Timothy: Goes along with Titus 115.

50:34 Timothy: So go to Titus 115 and I'll kind of describe this job to you.

50:37 Timothy: Because you know, Washington State has um, shall we say, a little bit of a financial problem?

50:42 Jacob: Yes, they do.

50:43 Timothy: They're like billions of dollars in debt.

50:47 Timothy: 10 to 12 billion is what I've received so far.

50:51 Timothy: Uh one can only wonder what they're doing with that money.

50:53 Timothy: I mean, going after grandmas who won't arrange flowers uh for a gay individual and certainly attacking a righteous Christian church going after that.

51:02 Timothy: And we'll see why here in just a moment.

51:03 Timothy: Well, on December 2nd, now here's a job opportunity for you.

51:07 Timothy: Okay.

51:07 Timothy: And it pays quite a bit, anywhere from$200,000 to$270,000.

51:13 Jacob: That's a lot of money.

51:14 Jacob: That's I've that's like upper upper income.

51:16 Jacob: Upper income.

51:17 Jacob: It's like high middle class.

51:19 Jacob: Oh yeah.

51:20 Jacob: Well, anymore.

51:20 Timothy: Hard to tell with inflationary.

51:22 Timothy: I don't know.

51:23 Timothy: It could be uh poverty level for a long time.

51:24 Timothy: You might get food stamps out of the deal.

51:25 Timothy: But here's what you do get you get eight hours of paid sick leave per month.

51:29 Timothy: So you know, everybody always gets sick.

51:33 Timothy: You get uh twenty-five paid vacation days per year.

51:37 Timothy: Oh, wow.

51:38 Timothy: Twenty-five.

51:39 Timothy: Twenty-five, twelve paid holidays.

51:42 Timothy: Man.

51:43 Timothy: You know, I wonder if does that include Christmas?

51:45 Timothy: Because uh we were persecuted and prosecuted for not celebrating Christmas the proper way.

51:50 Timothy: I wonder if they they have a present allowance for this.

51:52 Timothy: Maybe because you got to do the Santa Claus.

51:54 Timothy: Correct.

51:54 Timothy: Uh we were doing it all wrong.

51:56 Timothy: We were giving to the poor, which obviously that's worth dragging us into court for.

52:00 Timothy: You don't want to be giving to the poor box or to the poor people.

52:03 Timothy: Uh, there's also a generous retirement plan.

52:08 Jacob: It gets better.

52:09 Jacob: I'm not done yet.

52:10 Jacob: We'll see if you can cash in on that retirement with all of their uh state budget problems.

52:14 Jacob: But anyways, supposedly.

52:16 Timothy: Supposedly.

52:17 Timothy: My guess is this one, you're probably gonna get it because you probably will.

52:20 Timothy: He he just posted this job after announcing their$12 billion in deficit.

52:25 Timothy: Okay.

52:25 Timothy: All right.

52:26 Timothy: There's also uh access to a flex spending account.

52:30 Timothy: Ooh.

52:31 Timothy: I don't even know what that means.

52:32 Timothy: I don't quite know either.

52:33 Jacob: I've heard of that kind of thing, though.

52:35 Timothy: I mean it's flexible, you can go get whatever.

52:37 Jacob: I think it's like you get money and you can use it on like your medical needs, you can use it on this needs.

52:42 Jacob: Like there's criteria, but you get to like, ooh, you can, you know, save some bucks.

52:46 Timothy: I don't it's like the laws of War State, they're so loosey-goosey, it covers everything.

52:50 Timothy: He can be he can be getting cough drops or a candy bar when he's out doing it.

52:54 Jacob: Starbucks coffees, who knows what you get?

52:55 Timothy: Exactly.

52:56 Timothy: And then I don't even know what this next one is department care assistants.

53:01 Timothy: What's that mean?

53:01 Timothy: A secretary?

53:02 Timothy: I know.

53:02 Timothy: I don't know.

53:03 Timothy: What is a department care assistant?

53:06 Timothy: Anyway, what it's for, and I'll just read the paragraph, on December 2nd, Democratic Governor Jay Insley issued a directive for for a hiring freeze in response to 10 to 12 billion budget deficit despite record revenues.

53:22 Timothy: So they're raking it in and the slug.

53:24 Jacob: It's going out faster than they can bring it in.

53:26 Timothy: Exactly.

53:27 Timothy: Yeah, and I'm an evil cult leader because uh, you know, we we took up donations to do works for the Lord.

53:31 Timothy: Anyway, on December 6th, the Department of Corrections Health Service Division posted the job for You Ready?

53:39 Jacob: Oh, I think I heard Can you guess?

53:41 Jacob: What is it?

53:42 Jacob: Uh this is the one, ew, this is a nasty one.

53:45 Jacob: You're like some sort of a gender-affirming care for the inmates.

53:49 Jacob: This is in the news.

53:50 Jacob: Yeah, this is in the news.

53:51 Timothy: Gender-affirming medical specialists.

53:54 Timothy: And then you're responsible for the whole state, blah, blah, blah, and it goes on and on and on.

53:58 Timothy: Um, you know, my point here, Mr.

54:02 Timothy: Simmons, is, and by the way, this is not your normal Bible study.

54:06 Timothy: Uh, normally a Bible study is something much per more personal, slower, and gentle.

54:13 Timothy: You know, and you get a chance, Proverbs 25, 15 says, a gentle tongue can break a bone.

54:18 Timothy: I've been in many Bible studies.

54:20 Timothy: I can't remember ever having to raise my voice because the truth itself, as it goes out, is very powerful to break people, make them mad, whatever the response might be.

54:31 Timothy: Anyway, the problem with Prosecutor Simmons, Judge Laurie K.

54:34 Timothy: Smith, Rich Anderson, I think he didn't he wear the tennis shoes in court.

54:38 Jacob: Yes, I think that's who that was.

54:40 Timothy: And I can't even remember all the other names.

54:42 Timothy: I mean, there was this group of five, gang of five prosecutors going after.

54:46 Timothy: I guess anyone going after grandma's isn't gonna think twice about going after a Christian church.

54:50 Timothy: Correct.

54:51 Timothy: All right, here's here's the problem, Mr.

54:52 Timothy: Simmons.

54:53 Timothy: Go to Titus chapter one, verse 15, and I'm not gonna wait for you to get there because that could take a while, and you can just listen.

55:00 Timothy: Go ahead and read that, Jacob, because what Simmons is doing is he's looking in his own heart, he's looking at the King County prosecutor's office, he's looking at Judge Laurie K.

55:10 Timothy: Smith, he's looking at the whole legal system within the state of Washington, this perversion that's going on all the way down into the prison system because this is who they are.

55:20 Timothy: And they think I'm like them.

55:22 Timothy: They think I'm a liar, they think I'm a cheater, they think I'm fraudulent because that's what they do.

55:28 Timothy: Go ahead and read verses 15 and 16.

Pride Contempt And Courtroom Schemes

55:31 Jacob: To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure.

55:37 Jacob: In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

55:41 Jacob: They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him.

55:45 Jacob: They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for doing anything good.

55:50 Timothy: Looking at the last part of that in verse 16, as we review the transcripts, as we watch the videos, there wasn't one decent aspect to this whole trial.

56:01 Timothy: No.

56:01 Timothy: From the so-called investigation all the way up.

56:04 Timothy: It was all detestable.

56:05 Timothy: They were disobedient to every law, every right that we had.

56:09 Timothy: There wasn't a good aspect about anything that they did.

56:12 Timothy: And I won't keep me from going out that way because that's not our focus today.

56:16 Timothy: A lot of them claim to know God.

56:17 Timothy: Now I don't know if Mr.

56:18 Timothy: Simmons claims to be a Christian or not.

56:20 Timothy: Most of them did that were involved.

56:23 Timothy: Mark Larson claimed to be a Christian.

56:25 Timothy: I'm pretty sure Judge Laurie K.

56:27 Timothy: Smith, you know, just by her answers and what she does, she thinks she's a Christian.

56:31 Timothy: They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him.

56:34 Timothy: They oppose the truth, they oppose rights, they opposed anything that was reasonable, good.

56:40 Timothy: All right, so it's verse 15.

56:42 Timothy: To the pure all things are pure.

56:44 Timothy: That is, to somebody that has a good heart, they can see things for what they are.

56:49 Timothy: They see them in their pure essence.

56:51 Timothy: In other words, I can look at Prosecutor Simmons and go, that's impure, it's unclean, because I have a pure heart that comes from the living God.

56:58 Timothy: By the grace of God, I obey his laws and his righteousness, and I let him work my love.

57:03 Timothy: So I can see what he is about.

57:05 Timothy: But to those who are corrupted and do not believe, because it's very clear they don't believe God's word, says, nothing is pure.

57:13 Timothy: Notice what it says, nothing is pure.

57:16 Timothy: There isn't any aspect they looked at Sound Doctrine Church or my life or whatever and said, you know, that's pure.

57:21 Timothy: He's doing noble noble things.

57:23 Timothy: You had Detective Grant McCall in his simplistic, self-righteous, and I'm not condemning all Baptists, but he was a King James only Baptist cop using his abusive powers of police to go after a church.

57:38 Timothy: You know, he's a classic Pharisee that thinks he's doing God a favor by destroying us, and the end result was a lot of destruction.

57:44 Timothy: But anyway, to those who do not believe God's word and do not believe God, nothing, zero, nothing is pure.

57:51 Timothy: It says, in fact, and notice the word fact, that's evidence, fact, truth, both.

57:58 Timothy: Their minds and their consciousness are corrupted.

58:02 Timothy: On Mr.

58:03 Timothy: Simmons' current gig where he's working at, he boasts and brags that, oh, I prosecuted a couple controversial abuse cases.

58:11 Timothy: That's right.

58:12 Timothy: Or boast and brag about other people's misery and the fact that you cheated and that you lied and that you manipulated everything and you lined yourself with a corrupt cop and you got a judge to go along to deny everybody's rights so we couldn't get to the truth.

58:27 Timothy: Oh, yeah, for sure.

58:28 Timothy: You're gonna boast about those things.

58:30 Timothy: Any comments on all that, Jacob?

58:32 Timothy: No.

58:33 Timothy: All right.

58:35 Timothy: Again, this is more of a contempt contemplation of what took place.

58:41 Timothy: I've invited Mr.

58:42 Timothy: Simmons to be my friend.

58:43 Timothy: I've invited him for Bible study.

58:45 Timothy: I've had telephone numbers, everything's been available for at least 10 to 12 years.

58:50 Timothy: You wanted to talk, let's talk.

58:51 Timothy: You want the truth?

58:52 Timothy: I'd have been glad to sit down with the truth.

58:54 Timothy: I can't tell you you're gonna like what you're gonna hear, probably not, but it would have been the truth.

58:58 Timothy: And in fact, everything we've done, all the investigations, all the videos, all the research, every every examination has proven that what you did was wrong and based on full lies.

59:11 Timothy: Correct, Jacob?

59:13 Timothy: Correct.

59:14 Timothy: All right.

59:15 Timothy: Psalms 31, 18 says, Let their lying lips be silenced.

59:19 Timothy: This is again a Bible study.

59:21 Timothy: For with pride and contempt they speak again against the righteous.

59:28 Timothy: If there's one thing about Simmons' questions and his attitude, wasn't an arrogance all through the trial.

59:34 Timothy: Oh, yeah, super arrogant.

59:36 Timothy: And just total contempt on everything.

59:37 Timothy: Oh, why'd you need an abuse prevention program?

59:40 Timothy: And why did you do this?

59:41 Timothy: And why was this going on over here?

59:43 Timothy: It was complete contempt on everything.

59:45 Timothy: And don't even give me this business about that's your job.

59:48 Timothy: It's nobody's job to be contempt with lies.

59:51 Timothy: You should at least be prosecuting something that has to do with the truth.

59:56 Timothy: All right.

59:57 Timothy: So in the same way, I'm looking on what he did with loathing, Psalms 119, 158.

1:00:03 Timothy: I look on the faithless with loathing, for they do not obey your word.

1:00:09 Timothy: Tell you what, Mr.

1:00:10 Timothy: Simmons, let's crack open the Bible and let's examine what you obey in terms of scripture and what I obey in scripture, and let's see who is the winning person in that particular thing.

1:00:20 Timothy: All right, let's play the questions, Jacob.

1:00:22 Timothy: This is a condensing version of all the or some of the questions and contempt that Prosecutor Simmons and his team of prosecutors came after us on an well, just play it.

1:00:35 SPEAKER_10: Are you familiar with a group called the Sound Doctrine Church?

1:00:39 SPEAKER_10: How is it that you came about joining the Sound Doctrine Church?

1:00:42 SPEAKER_10: And where was Sound Doctrine Church?

1:00:44 SPEAKER_10: Back then, around that time, how many people would you say were members of the church?

1:00:48 SPEAKER_10: What was it that drew your family to the church at the beginning?

1:00:51 SPEAKER_10: Did you join the Sound Doctor Church have any impact on your connection with your family other than Jessica and the dynasty?

1:01:02 SPEAKER_10: And is one chest position associated in any way with the Sound Auction Church?

1:01:06 SPEAKER_10: And would those transform books from your members of the Sound Action Church?

1:01:10 SPEAKER_10: Are you familiar with the Fellowship of Books too?

1:01:13 SPEAKER_10: What is a rebuke?

1:01:16 SPEAKER_10: What is rebuke and what does that mean in the context of the church?

1:01:20 SPEAKER_10: When you say fellowship, what does that mean?

1:01:22 SPEAKER_10: While you remember the Sound Auction Church and a member of that community, was it important for you to follow the various teachings and doctrines of the church?

1:01:32 SPEAKER_10: Or was your understanding of that doctrine?

1:01:34 SPEAKER_10: While a member of the Sound Doctrine Church did your beliefs come from your understanding of the doctrine of the church?

1:01:41 SPEAKER_10: Did you have any neighborhood friends that were not members of the Sound Doctrine Church?

1:01:47 SPEAKER_10: Other just kids in college.

1:01:49 SPEAKER_10: And at that time, what was the kind of the leadership?

1:01:52 SPEAKER_10: How was it who was in charge?

1:01:54 SPEAKER_10: I don't know.

1:01:55 SPEAKER_10: When you say your salvation, was that an important thing for you during Sound Doctrine Church?

1:01:59 SPEAKER_10: Do you in the Sound Doctrine Church really celebrate birthdays?

1:02:03 SPEAKER_10: How about was there any particular holiday celebration for Christmas or anything of that nature?

1:02:07 SPEAKER_10: Why was it that you left Sound Doctrine Church?

1:02:10 Timothy: Okay.

1:02:11 Jacob: It's hard not to laugh with some of these questions.

1:02:13 Jacob: Correct.

1:02:14 Jacob: Um, Simmons is really in the wrong state.

1:02:17 Jacob: He should really go to like Pennsylvania and just like, you know, pretty much arrest all the Amish because like the Amish, you know, they have their own religious beliefs, they have a certain way of doing it.

1:02:26 Jacob: You could just question the Amish all day long on what they do or not, do not do.

1:02:30 Jacob: And by the way, the Amish also have a thing where like if you leave the Amish church, they shun you and they really do not talk to you.

1:02:36 Jacob: I mean, if you want to talk about like not talking to families, just look at the Amish.

1:02:40 Timothy: Oh well, just look at uh Biden voters.

1:02:42 Timothy: Yeah, exactly.

1:02:43 Timothy: Oh, yeah, yeah.

1:02:44 Jacob: If you voted for Trump, yeah.

1:02:45 Jacob: You're oh, I'm not talking to you, you're dead to me.

1:02:48 Timothy: Get out of here.

1:02:49 Timothy: I don't see, well, let's add the word yet.

1:02:51 Timothy: King County prosecutors going for people to vote for Trump.

1:02:54 Timothy: They they would have done it if they could get there.

1:02:56 Timothy: Correct, if they had won.

1:02:57 Timothy: If they have the time and resources.

1:02:58 Timothy: Oh, well, he's at he not only you're correct, he's not only in the wrong state, he's in the wrong country.

1:03:04 Timothy: He should be in Iran, because then they go for Christians, and at least it's an honest fight.

1:03:08 Timothy: Exactly.

1:03:08 Timothy: I mean, it'd have been one thing if Simmons would say, let's put Sound Doctrine Church on trial and let's focus here.

1:03:14 Timothy: But that's not what they did.

1:03:15 Timothy: They took a false crime that's horrendous by nature and used that to go for the church.

1:03:20 Timothy: It was just unclean.

1:03:22 Timothy: Like, okay, fine.

1:03:22 Timothy: If you want to outlaw Christianity in Washington State, put it on trial, I'll be more than happy to sh sit on the stand.

1:03:28 Timothy: And believe me, we'll be there a long time because I've got a few things to say and discuss.

1:03:33 Timothy: This Bible study is just too fast, as far as I'm concerned.

1:03:36 Timothy: And by the way, uh, Mr.

1:03:37 Timothy: Simmons, you'd have one.

1:03:40 Timothy: If he'd have brought me in and put Sound Doctrine Church on trial and asked all these questions, I still would have been found guilty.

1:03:47 Timothy: Oh, sure, yeah.

1:03:48 Timothy: Because nobody wants Christianity.

1:03:49 Timothy: Correct.

1:03:50 Timothy: Nobody wants to follow Jesus Christ.

1:03:52 Timothy: Jesus Christ is offensive.

1:03:53 Timothy: So he's using the offensiveness of the cross or the message of Jesus Christ.

1:03:57 Timothy: He wouldn't understand what that means.

1:03:58 Timothy: The offensiveness of Jesus Christ to win a guilty verdict.

1:04:02 Timothy: And that that's easy to do because most people do not want God.

1:04:07 Timothy: Correct.

1:04:08 Timothy: All right.

1:04:09 Timothy: So let's kind of I'm not gonna be able to answer every single question and certainly not gonna be able to go to the depth of it.

1:04:15 Timothy: So let's start with kind of the generic first one.

1:04:19 Timothy: What attracted you to Sound Doctrine Church?

1:04:22 Timothy: All right, Jacob.

1:04:24 Timothy: What what and I'm not I'm gonna not try and mention those people that are on the stand he's asking the question too.

1:04:29 Timothy: We'll we'll we'll go to there in a moment, just the lies that went on.

1:04:32 Timothy: But what attracted them to Sound Doctrine Church?

1:04:35 Timothy: What would come off the top of your head?

1:04:37 Jacob: Um most of these people had horrible lies beforehand.

1:04:42 Jacob: So wait.

1:04:43 Timothy: Are you sure it wasn't the promise of wealth?

1:04:46 Timothy: Didn't I stand over the problem?

1:04:48 Timothy: You know, I've got cars and boats and you know, the promises of the biggest.

1:04:51 Timothy: There's no promise of wealth.

1:04:52 Timothy: Why did there be TVN?

1:04:54 Timothy: You didn't have like golden rings and so then they weren't attracted to Sound Doctrine because of the wealth promise and you can succeed and prosper?

1:05:01 Timothy: No.

1:05:01 Timothy: Well, what about all the fun and the recreation?

1:05:03 Timothy: I uh every Sunday I'm there going, we've got this event going on and we've got this fun going on.

1:05:08 Jacob: There was no basketball courts, there were no soccer fields, uh oh yeah, no uh NFL Sundays.

1:05:14 Jacob: Oh, NFL Sundays, Super Bowls, Super Bowl Sundays?

1:05:17 Jacob: No, there was none of that.

1:05:18 Timothy: What I didn't do that kind of thing, you did not.

1:05:20 Timothy: Okay, so was it a pride to an appeal to their pride to become something in Jesus?

1:05:26 Timothy: You can fulfill your destiny, you can become the liberate your own.

1:05:30 Timothy: You were so special.

1:05:30 Timothy: No.

1:05:31 Timothy: I flattered them and brought them in, and everybody's saying, Oh, come on in, you can fulfill your dreams in Jesus Christ.

1:05:38 Timothy: You can get whatever you want and pray and see the Lord.

1:05:40 Timothy: I didn't wasn't that why they were attractive?

1:05:42 Timothy: It was not that.

1:05:43 Timothy: Are you sure?

1:05:44 Timothy: I'm sure.

1:05:44 Timothy: What about all the cars and boats and taking life easy that had you know, we go out skiing and do all these things and picnics and what?

1:05:52 Timothy: That wasn't there either.

1:05:55 Timothy: Uh oh, I know.

1:05:56 Timothy: It's because I'm a laid back pastor.

1:05:58 Timothy: Yeah, you were so chillax.

1:06:00 Timothy: I'm a good old boy pastor.

1:06:02 Timothy: No, wasn't that when when I speak it's so broad and it's not specific.

1:06:06 Timothy: You really you know, it's just kind of platitudes, and you just ooh, I shouldn't be able to do that.

1:06:09 Timothy: Oh, you can just take what you want to get out of it.

1:06:11 Timothy: Yeah, you know, I'm just a nice guy.

1:06:15 Timothy: I'm never clear about well, this is what it would mean to join, and this is what it would mean to follow Jesus Christ.

1:06:20 Timothy: I never did that because, well, no, because it's like, come on in, we'll pray for you, pray over you, pray with you.

1:06:27 Timothy: I don't know, right?

1:06:29 Timothy: No, it was not that.

1:06:30 Timothy: So it wasn't a lack of clarity that drew them, was it?

1:06:34 Timothy: No.

1:06:35 Timothy: No.

1:06:36 Timothy: Mr.

1:06:36 Timothy: Simmons, they were drawn, and you need to get your Bible out here.

1:06:40 Timothy: I'm going to show you why anybody was drawn to Sound Doctrine Church.

1:06:42 Timothy: Now, I I can't verify for other churches, they have their gimmicks.

1:06:46 Timothy: But this is why, and this is the truthful answer, they showed up to Sound Doctrine Church to join.

1:06:52 Timothy: John chapter 6, verse 44.

1:06:55 Timothy: John chapter 6, verse 44, and that's in the New Testament, by the way.

1:06:59 Timothy: Jesus said, now this is Jesus talking, this isn't Tim Williams talking, and if I were in a court of law, I would be quoting John 6, 44, and you would object because you say, Your honor, he needs to use his own words.

1:07:12 Timothy: Well, Mr.

1:07:12 Timothy: Simmons, you should have figured out by now.

1:07:14 Timothy: These are my own words.

1:07:15 Timothy: This is how I quote, this is how I live, this is what dwells and works and is by the power of God.

1:07:22 Timothy: This isn't religious Bible study, this isn't theology, this isn't some abstract concept.

1:07:28 Timothy: This is why people were drawn to Sound Doctrine Church.

1:07:32 Timothy: No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day.

Why People Joined The Church

1:07:41 Timothy: It would have to be just on the environment.

1:07:43 Timothy: Anyone coming and staying at Sound Doctrine Church, God was moving in their life and they could feel his power and his presence drawing them.

1:07:51 Timothy: Correct, Jacob?

1:07:52 Timothy: Correct.

1:07:53 Timothy: And this is going to be important in a little bit.

1:07:54 Timothy: So again, Mr.

1:07:55 Timothy: Simmons, these things build on one another.

1:07:57 Timothy: You can't just take one and hiss at it and leave it.

1:08:00 Timothy: These things build on knowledge.

1:08:02 Timothy: It takes a great deal of time to pray, to contemplate, to get in the prayer closet.

1:08:06 Timothy: That's what you should be doing.

1:08:07 Timothy: That's what a Bible study is.

1:08:09 Timothy: This is not a Bible study like you normally go to what, Sunday school, and what does everybody do?

1:08:14 Timothy: The guy, usually a guy, it could be a girl for now, read a particular passage, then everybody goes around the room, right, and gives their opinion about what they think it means, right?

1:08:24 Timothy: Yep.

1:08:24 Timothy: That yeah, you're not going to bump into that, Mr.

1:08:27 Timothy: Simmons, not at all.

1:08:28 Timothy: You take this, you go back before God, you ask God if it's true.

1:08:31 Timothy: And if you have a good heart, he'll show you.

1:08:33 Timothy: If not, guess what?

1:08:34 Timothy: You'll go on your way.

1:08:36 Timothy: All right.

1:08:36 Timothy: John chapter 6, verse 45 is exactly what I just said.

1:08:39 Timothy: I got my ahead of myself.

1:08:41 Timothy: It is written in the prophets.

1:08:43 Timothy: Again, now we're talking about the prophets.

1:08:45 Timothy: That's be the Old Testament, all of Scripture condensed down.

1:08:50 Timothy: They will all be taught by God.

1:08:53 Timothy: Now, did you catch that, Mr.

1:08:55 Timothy: Simmons?

1:08:56 Timothy: When you ask, and I'm a little bit ahead of the game, when you asked, What was the leadership like?

1:09:01 Timothy: This is what the leadership was like.

1:09:04 Timothy: They will all be taught by God.

1:09:07 Timothy: It's not me running around putting opinions or ideas or concepts or say you will believe this or this is what you have to do.

1:09:16 Timothy: What I taught, what I lived, what I showed is that they need to get back into the prayer closet and be taught by God Himself.

1:09:24 Timothy: It's an individual, specific relationship, and it all depends on whether you pick up your cross, deny yourself, hate your own life, and follow Jesus Christ.

1:09:33 Timothy: If you don't do that, then go to any other church that you want to and get some Bible theology.

1:09:40 Timothy: But when it came to Sound Doctrine Church, what was taught was God and God alone, alone.

1:09:47 Timothy: And that's actually why most people got upset and left.

1:09:50 Timothy: They wanted me to give them answers.

1:09:51 Timothy: They wanted me to walk the walk for them, and I wouldn't do it.

1:09:54 Timothy: I'd point them in the right direction.

1:09:56 Timothy: That is to the living God.

1:09:57 Timothy: And if they persevered, they remained.

1:09:59 Timothy: If not, they left.

1:10:00 Timothy: But you know, again, I'm getting ahead of myself.

1:10:02 Timothy: Anything in all this, Jacob?

1:10:03 Timothy: No.

1:10:04 Timothy: All right.

1:10:04 Timothy: Verse 45.

1:10:06 Timothy: Jesus goes on to say, everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

1:10:13 Timothy: Oh, we're back to that same theme again where God is calling an individual to join the church.

1:10:19 Timothy: So what attracted you to Sound Doctrine Church?

1:10:22 Timothy: Mr.

1:10:22 Timothy: Simmons, it was the living God.

1:10:24 Timothy: It was God Himself.

1:10:26 Timothy: And if he wasn't doing the attraction, there was nothing about Sound Doctrine Church that in their flesh, and okay, I have to probably define flesh for him.

1:10:34 Timothy: Can you define flesh for him so he knows what I'm talking about?

1:10:37 Jacob: Uh we're saying define it to Mr.

1:10:39 Jacob: Simmons.

1:10:40 Timothy: Yeah, to Mr.

1:10:40 Timothy: Simmons.

1:10:41 Timothy: I don't know that he knows what I'm talking about because he's not here.

1:10:43 Timothy: There's no Bible.

1:10:43 Timothy: I can't go.

1:10:44 Timothy: Do you know what the flesh is?

1:10:45 Timothy: Correct.

1:10:45 Timothy: Can he explain and go from there?

1:10:46 Timothy: I can't do that.

1:10:47 Jacob: So the flesh is the worldly sinful side of a person.

1:10:51 Timothy: Correct.

1:10:51 Timothy: Yeah.

1:10:51 Timothy: All the wealth, the recreation, the fun, the comradeship, the more of a church club.

1:10:57 Timothy: Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

1:11:02 Timothy: You have to be drawn by God to join South Doctrine Church.

1:11:06 Timothy: And that's the truth of the situation.

1:11:07 Timothy: And that's what went on.

1:11:09 Timothy: And you know, just as a side note, I'm not interested in anybody else.

1:11:14 Timothy: I wasn't interested in large numbers.

1:11:16 Timothy: I wasn't interested in drawing a large crowd.

1:11:19 Timothy: If you don't want God, go away.

1:11:22 Timothy: I mean, I think I've been clear on that, right?

1:11:24 Timothy: Yes.

1:11:25 Timothy: All right.

1:11:28 Timothy: Let's go to Luke chapter 7, verse 24, and let's finish this section up.

1:11:34 Timothy: I would think by now most people who've at least listened to the podcast or reading my messages.

1:11:42 Timothy: I'm not known as kind of mushy or wishy-washy, right?

1:11:46 Timothy: No.

1:11:47 Timothy: Is there really any question about what I'm saying?

1:11:51 Timothy: No.

1:11:52 Timothy: I'm not generally vague on stuff.

1:11:54 Timothy: If I'm vague, I'm saying something like, well, I don't have the full answer for that, or it has to be worked out.

1:11:59 Timothy: But the clarity is there.

1:12:01 Timothy: There's no mistaking about what I'm saying.

1:12:04 Timothy: In John chapter 7, verse 24, it says, After John's messengers, messengers left, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John.

1:12:13 Timothy: And this is what he says.

1:12:14 Timothy: What did you go out into the desert to see?

1:12:16 Timothy: A reed swayed by the wind.

1:12:19 Timothy: Am I a reed swayed by the wind?

1:12:21 Timothy: The doctrines are clear.

1:12:22 Timothy: Everything is solid.

1:12:24 Timothy: Nobody can show up to Sound Doctrine Church and go, oh, I didn't know what I was getting into, right?

1:12:29 Timothy: Correct.

1:12:29 Timothy: I mean, yeah, I had tracks, books, all kinds of tapes, sermons, talk to me, whatever.

1:12:35 Timothy: I'm as clear as possible on this is what it'll mean.

1:12:37 Timothy: In fact, I warned everybody, you will be persecuted.

1:12:40 Timothy: I just didn't know we'd also be prosecuted at the same time.

1:12:43 Timothy: But there was the clarity that this is coming.

1:12:45 Timothy: This is what's happening.

1:12:46 Timothy: I mean, that's been going on since the day I started following Jesus Christ.

1:12:49 Timothy: And by the way, scripture does say, Mr.

1:12:51 Timothy: Simmons, anyone who wants to live a godly life will be persecuted in Jesus Christ.

1:12:56 Timothy: The reason you're not persecuted for Jesus, you're not seeking to live a godly life.

1:13:00 Timothy: All right, verse 25, Jesus goes on to say, if not, what did you go out to see?

1:13:04 Timothy: A man dressed in fine clothes?

1:13:06 Timothy: Must have been the fine suits, right, Jacob?

1:13:08 Timothy: I got the tie.

1:13:09 Timothy: Well, I don't know, they do ties now.

1:13:10 Timothy: I mean, some do, the flash heel suit.

1:13:13 Timothy: Some do.

1:13:14 Timothy: And I'm not known for wearing t-shirts with little pockets or sayings, right, Jacob?

1:13:19 Timothy: Correct.

1:13:19 Timothy: All right.

1:13:20 Timothy: No, those who wear expensive clothes and indulge in luxury are in palaces.

1:13:25 Timothy: None of those things I ever had.

1:13:27 Timothy: In fact, been on the move and so on.

1:13:29 Timothy: All right.

1:13:29 Timothy: I've been clear on that one.

1:13:32 Timothy: Yes.

1:13:32 Timothy: All right.

1:13:33 Timothy: So let's hone in a little bit here and let's go to the question.

1:13:36 Timothy: And we're going to go to Romans chapter 6, verse 20, Mr.

1:13:39 Timothy: Simmons.

1:13:40 Timothy: So you might want to be turning there while I talk about this a little bit.

1:13:44 Timothy: One of your questions was how was it that you came about joining the Sound Doctrine Church?

1:13:51 Timothy: And where was the church located back then around that time?

1:13:56 Timothy: And I don't remember what their answers are, but they they weren't according to the truth.

1:14:02 Timothy: Mr.

1:14:02 Timothy: Simmons, the reason people join Sound Doctrine Church is, and this is something you've never experienced, they were convicted by the Holy Spirit of sin.

1:14:13 Timothy: They were convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit and wanted to repent.

1:14:19 Timothy: And the message I preach by the power of God is clear, is solid.

1:14:24 Timothy: They were worn out with the mushy gospel calls out there.

1:14:28 Timothy: They knew they were in a desperate situation.

1:14:31 Timothy: They felt that desperation and that need for God.

1:14:35 Timothy: Nothing else was working in the regular church because everybody is just a mushy kind of swaying in the wind.

1:14:44 Timothy: And Sound Doctrine Church was not about that.

1:14:46 Timothy: Total clarity.

1:14:48 Timothy: Brutal honesty.

1:14:50 Timothy: Any Bible study that you would experience with me would be brutally honest.

1:14:55 Timothy: Not saying you like it, I'm just saying it's going to be brutally honest.

1:14:59 Timothy: So this is really kind of one of my favorite questions because you've got people on the STEM that have fallen away from Jesus Christ.

1:15:05 Timothy: They're full of anger because now they know where they're headed.

1:15:09 Timothy: And he's asking them in a court of law, so why did you join Sound Doctrine Church?

1:15:14 Timothy: Why is it that you wanted to belong?

1:15:15 Timothy: Mr.

1:15:16 Timothy: Simmons, in order to answer that question, they would have to admit to crimes.

1:15:22 Timothy: They would have to be on the stand, and I'm just going to be generic at this point, but these are specifics.

1:15:27 Timothy: They would have to talk about prostitution in downtown Denver.

1:15:31 Timothy: They would have to talk about drug use.

1:15:33 Timothy: They would have to talk about adultery, drunkenness, the fighting and the quarreling, the self-centeredness in their lives, the divorce, the lack of love in the family, the like of hate or the amount of hatred they had in their own families and friends.

1:15:47 Timothy: It is a total lie and a misconception to think that when Sound Doctrine came along that somehow it upset all these loving families that were just getting along just fine.

1:15:58 Timothy: That's the biggest, one of the biggest lies that's going on.

1:16:01 Timothy: They were attracted to Sound Doctrine Church because they were convicted of sin.

1:16:05 Timothy: And in many of the cases, in this particular trial, these people that are testifying would have to admit to crimes.

1:16:13 Timothy: But instead, you gave them an opportunity to lie, to vent, because you don't prosecute liars, not liars who lie for you, do you?

1:16:23 Timothy: And that makes you in line with who?

1:16:24 Timothy: I'll let you do the Bible study on that one.

1:16:27 Timothy: Romans 6 20.

1:16:29 Timothy: When you were slaves to sin, they were slaves to sin, and Sound Doctrine Church was offering them freedom to no longer be slaves.

1:16:38 Timothy: It goes on to say you were free from the control of righteousness.

1:16:42 Timothy: Before Sound Doctrine Church, they were able to do what they want when they wanted, no matter how they wanted to do it, in the most hateful, vile, divorced, destructive, drug-induced prostitution, anger, you name the sins that went on.

1:16:59 Timothy: They were allowed to do that.

1:17:00 Timothy: There was no control, no influence.

1:17:02 Timothy: When they came to Sound Doctrine, the preaching, the lives, the power of God, the truthfulness of the gospel, then they started to fall under the control of righteousness by God's grace.

1:17:13 Timothy: Not by rules, Mr.

1:17:14 Timothy: Simmons, not by me controlling everybody.

1:17:17 Timothy: And by the way, you know, let me stop right there.

1:17:19 Timothy: Let's just say I was controlling everybody, right, Jacob?

1:17:22 Timothy: Let's just say, and again, this is a lie, so nobody kind of cut and paste this thing.

1:17:26 Timothy: Let's just say I was controlling.

1:17:28 Timothy: Exactly what would I be controlling them in, Jacob?

1:17:32 Jacob: Um, well, the accusation is that uh I believe you were like hoarding all the money, right?

1:17:37 Timothy: You and Yeah, but I'm asking what if I was really laying down rules, what would I be laying down?

1:17:43 Timothy: Don't drink, don't smoke, don't cuss, get along with your family.

1:17:46 Timothy: Sure.

1:17:46 Timothy: Lay down your life for each other, love each other.

1:17:48 Timothy: And I didn't even do that because that has to be done by the power of the Holy Spirit.

1:17:51 Timothy: You can't lay look, Mr.

1:17:53 Timothy: Simmons, you can't prosecute to righteousness.

1:17:56 Timothy: That's not how it works.

1:17:57 Timothy: If it were, the more laws Washington State makes, isn't it the more it's crumbling apart?

1:18:02 Timothy: Correct.

1:18:02 Timothy: So Town Doctor Church is not about a bunch of rules and laws.

1:18:06 Timothy: That does not work.

1:18:07 Timothy: If you don't want to change and you don't want God to make you different, it's not gonna happen.

1:18:12 Timothy: And I want to say to you, bye-bye, go away.

1:18:15 Timothy: I want nothing to do with you.

1:18:16 Timothy: I'm only interested in people that are willing to love the living God.

1:18:22 Timothy: Anything else on that?

1:18:23 Timothy: No.

1:18:24 Timothy: All right.

1:18:24 Timothy: Romans 6.21 is what they should have shared.

1:18:27 Timothy: When you said, What drew you to Sound Doctrine?

1:18:29 Timothy: Why did you want to join?

1:18:30 Timothy: This is what they should have said.

1:18:31 Timothy: Romans 6.21.

1:18:32 Timothy: What benefit did you reap at that time from the things that you are now ashamed of?

1:18:38 Timothy: They would have had to testify, and each one could have testified, well, I was ashamed of this, and I was ashamed of that had they spoken the truth.

1:18:47 Timothy: Those things result in death.

1:18:50 Timothy: They were drawn to sound doctrine church because they didn't want the death of sin.

1:18:54 Timothy: It's really that simple.

1:18:56 Timothy: Romans 6 22.

1:18:58 Timothy: But now that you have been set free from sin, they were drawn to sound doctrine church because they were being set free from sin.

1:19:05 Timothy: Is there a cost?

1:19:06 Timothy: Yes.

1:19:07 Timothy: Do you have to carry your cross?

1:19:08 Timothy: Yes.

1:19:09 Timothy: Do you have to hate your own life?

1:19:10 Timothy: Yes.

1:19:10 Timothy: Do you actually have to give up self to love other people?

1:19:14 Timothy: Yes.

1:19:14 Timothy: Do you have to give up your pride?

1:19:16 Timothy: Yes.

1:19:16 Timothy: All those things.

1:19:17 Timothy: And you can stop that at any moment and decide, I don't want to do this anymore.

1:19:20 Timothy: You know, Mr.

1:19:21 Timothy: Simmons, let me ask you this question.

1:19:23 Timothy: How many people that you send to prison that are given sentences and spend their time in prison actually reform their ways and don't wind up coming back?

1:19:32 Timothy: It's very minuscule the number of people that actually come out better than when they went into prison, is it not?

1:19:38 Timothy: Oh yeah, I think it's like it's it's so few.

1:19:42 Timothy: And so you're gonna whine at me about people leaving Sound Doctrine or why do so many people leave?

1:19:48 Timothy: Most people don't want to change.

1:19:50 Timothy: They want to change for a little bit, they want to change for a little while, and they want to kind of clean up their life on a little superficial way.

1:19:57 Timothy: But once you they don't realize Jesus Christ is serious about dealing with sin.

1:20:01 Timothy: This this is not a joke.

1:20:03 Timothy: If you ask the living God, Mr.

1:20:04 Timothy: Simmons, to crucify your pride, hang on to your hat, because it's gonna happen and it's gonna hurt, and it's gonna go deep, and it's gonna go hard, and only those that are in love with Jesus Christ will persevere long enough to allow them to gain the humility of Jesus Christ.

1:20:20 Timothy: So don't whine at me.

1:20:22 Timothy: Don't don't judge me by your impure heart and say, well, why do so many people?

1:20:26 Timothy: And by the way, that is a question.

1:20:27 Timothy: He didn't ask that in the trial.

1:20:28 Timothy: I just know that floating around in the background.

1:20:30 Timothy: I know the lies you've been told.

1:20:32 Timothy: I've heard them for 30, 40 years.

1:20:34 Timothy: Nothing new under the sun there.

1:20:37 Timothy: All right.

1:20:38 Timothy: But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, you see, eventually a lot of people decide they don't want to be slaves to God.

1:20:48 Timothy: They want to please themselves, they want to be independent, they want to be who they are, they want to fulfill themselves.

1:20:55 Timothy: And that's what the false churches and the false Christians appeal to.

1:20:59 Timothy: You can be this, have this, and do this.

1:21:02 Timothy: If you came to Sound Doctrine Church, would, as you know, no longer exists because you achieved your goal of running us out of the city of Enum Claw, you would be set free from your sin.

1:21:13 Timothy: But the only way to be set free from sin is to become a slave of God.

1:21:18 Timothy: Now, I wish you were here.

1:21:20 Timothy: I wish you had a good heart.

1:21:22 Timothy: Wishes, you know, the only reason I'm using wish because I don't know that the prayers are making any difference.

1:21:26 Timothy: I wish you were here because then you could let it sink in and you could see I have to become a slave to God.

1:21:33 Timothy: Then he goes on to say the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.

1:21:39 Timothy: See, it's not a matter of like, okay, I get baptized or I asked Jesus my heart, I'm saved.

1:21:43 Timothy: That's not how it works.

1:21:44 Timothy: It's a life of discipleship.

1:21:46 Timothy: And you have to go from being obedient, a slave of God, going on to his holiness, and he works that holiness.

1:21:53 Timothy: That's why I can't describe to you what's going on.

1:21:55 Timothy: You're not making anybody holy in prison.

1:21:57 Timothy: They're not getting out of prison going, oh, we were made holy by this experience.

1:22:01 Timothy: Well, if you persevere with sound doctrine church and you became a slave of God and you let God deal with your sin, you're gonna come out being made holy by his power, and then you will reap eternal life.

1:22:13 Timothy: Romans chapter 6, verse 23 says, For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.

1:22:20 Timothy: Now you can hear that quoted anywhere else.

1:22:23 Timothy: It's true.

1:22:24 Timothy: I'm not ignoring it, but all these other things have to follow first.

1:22:28 Timothy: Anything else on that, Jacob?

1:22:29 Timothy: Nope.

1:22:30 Timothy: All right, I'm gonna let you go to Acts chapter 19, verse 18.

1:22:34 Timothy: Mr.

1:22:34 Timothy: Simmons, I I want you to read this.

1:22:36 Timothy: No, read this.

1:22:38 Timothy: Listen very carefully.

1:22:39 Timothy: Because again, when you ask people on the stand why did you join Sound Doctrine Church or why were you drawn to the church, they would have to answer this way.

1:22:50 Timothy: Go ahead and read that, Jacob.

1:22:51 Timothy: Acts chapter 19, verse 18.

1:22:54 Jacob: Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed their evil deeds.

1:23:00 Timothy: Did you catch that?

1:23:01 Timothy: I hope you have a highlighter, at least a highlighter in your heart.

1:23:05 Timothy: They came and openly confessed their evil deeds.

1:23:10 Timothy: See, that's called walking in the light.

1:23:12 Timothy: It's called wanting to be cleaned, cleaned up and pure all the way to the heart.

1:23:17 Timothy: So they would have confessed before you on the witness stand to Judge Laurie K.

1:23:22 Timothy: Smith all of their sins and openly confess, this is what I did, and this is who I was, and this is what my family was and was not, and these were all the things I committed.

1:23:32 Timothy: I'm not gonna repeat what they did.

1:23:34 Timothy: It went even further than that.

1:23:36 Timothy: Anything else I need to add on that?

1:23:38 Timothy: No.

1:23:39 Timothy: All right, well, let's just keep rolling, Mr.

1:23:40 Timothy: Simmons, because I'm demonstrating to you why they joined Sound Doctrine Church.

1:23:45 Timothy: Uh let's go to 1 Thessalonians chapter 1, verse 1.

1:23:48 Timothy: 1 Thessalonians chapter 1, verse 1.

1:23:51 Timothy: Because there's a there's a um, it's a little bit of a long passage, but there's one central set of words you need to pay attention to.

1:23:59 Timothy: Paul, Silas, and Timothy to the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1:24:06 Timothy: Grace and peace to you.

1:24:07 Timothy: Did you catch all that?

1:24:08 Timothy: Grace and peace to you.

1:24:10 Timothy: Sound Dr.

1:24:11 Timothy: Church was not this oppressive, legalistic, destructive cult.

1:24:15 Timothy: It was the complete opposite.

1:24:17 Timothy: What you were fed, what you believe because your heart is impure is complete, total bunk of lies.

1:24:24 Timothy: We always thank God for all of you, mentioning you in our prayers.

1:24:27 Timothy: We continually remember you before our God and Father.

1:24:30 Timothy: Your work produced by faith.

1:24:32 Timothy: Oh yeah.

1:24:32 Timothy: Sound doctrine had a lot of work, didn't it, Jacob?

1:24:35 Timothy: We were busy, no doubt about it.

1:24:36 Timothy: Your labor prompted by love.

1:24:38 Timothy: Up until they fell away, we all labored together.

1:24:41 Timothy: This was a labor of love.

1:24:44 Timothy: Whether it was a salt shaker, wine press, whatever, out in the community, we were busy, busy, busy.

1:24:50 Timothy: It was a lot of work, but it was done out of love and joy.

1:24:53 Timothy: Now, naturally, once they decide, oh, I don't want to do this anymore, then of course, then you wind up in a court of law.

1:24:58 Timothy: And your endurance, inspired by the hope in our Lord Jesus Christ.

1:25:02 Timothy: All right.

1:25:03 Timothy: Their hope, their endurance to keep carrying their cross and denying himself comes because why?

1:25:08 Timothy: They're in Jesus Christ and he's inspiring this hope.

1:25:11 Timothy: Once you turn your back on Jesus Christ, once you say, I don't want to obey anymore, what do you lose?

1:25:19 Timothy: Your hope.

1:25:20 Timothy: Hope.

1:25:21 Timothy: And that's why you see the anger, that's why you see the frustration, that's why you'll hear a lot of people that never joined and belong still hate me because the reality sets in.

1:25:30 Timothy: They have no hope.

1:25:31 Timothy: Their pride is blocking the hope.

1:25:34 Timothy: Their division is blocking the hope.

1:25:37 Timothy: Their sin is blocking the hope.

1:25:40 Timothy: And so when you live in this world without any hope, that and you do that, you know, this is a worldly example again, but you do that to prisoners.

1:25:47 Timothy: You put them in prison and you suck away from them any hope and possibility of redemption.

1:25:53 Timothy: And you see the result of that.

1:25:56 Timothy: All right.

1:25:58 Timothy: Verse 4 of 1 Thessalonians 1.

1:26:01 Timothy: For we know brothers loved by God.

1:26:04 Timothy: Those in sound doctrine, as long as they say they're felt the love of God.

1:26:09 Timothy: It was not an oppressive, cult, legalistic kind of thing.

1:26:14 Timothy: That that's just a convenient lie you were told, because they know you'd you'd sop it up.

1:26:18 Timothy: You know, if there's one thing the state of, I mean, again, you've got perversion going on in the state of Washington.

1:26:24 Timothy: You think they're gonna they're gonna want a gospel call that says being transgender and all these things and these this stuff is corrupt in sins?

1:26:31 Timothy: Really?

1:26:31 Timothy: No, they're gonna come after me.

1:26:33 Timothy: They go after grandmothers that won't arrange flowers.

1:26:38 Timothy: For we know brothers love by God, that he has chosen you.

1:26:41 Timothy: And this is how we know they were chosen.

1:26:43 Timothy: This is how I know when somebody comes to Sound Doctor Church and they want to be baptized and follow Jesus Christ and become a disciple.

1:26:50 Timothy: This is what happens.

1:26:51 Timothy: 1 Thessalonians chapter 1, verse 5.

1:26:53 Timothy: Because our gospel came to you not simply with words.

1:26:57 Timothy: This is not about tracts, it's not about podcasts, it's not about ink on paper, it's not about a Bible study.

1:27:03 Timothy: It's not simply with words.

1:27:05 Timothy: There are words I did preach.

1:27:07 Timothy: Yes, I did write books, and yes, I did do tracks, yes, I did all those things, but also with power.

1:27:15 Timothy: Also, do you see that, Ms.

1:27:16 Timothy: Shimmons?

1:27:17 Timothy: But also with power, with the Holy Spirit.

1:27:20 Timothy: And here's the words you need to pay attention to with the Holy Spirit and with deep conviction.

1:27:26 Timothy: The reason they joined Sound Doctrine Church was because God was drawing them to the church and they were deeply convicted about their sin.

1:27:35 Timothy: And that came from God.

1:27:37 Timothy: It didn't come from me.

1:27:38 Timothy: I didn't bother to produce.

1:27:40 Timothy: I, you know, again, I'm repeating myself.

1:27:43 Timothy: I have no desire to force conviction or guilt on anybody.

1:27:48 Timothy: Zero.

1:27:48 Timothy: None.

1:27:49 Timothy: Because that won't last.

1:27:51 Timothy: That's just ridiculous.

1:27:52 Timothy: That's childish to believe.

1:27:53 Timothy: That's what you do, Mr.

1:27:54 Timothy: Simmons.

1:27:55 Timothy: That's what the court system does.

1:27:57 Timothy: In fact, you extort guilty pleas out of people.

1:28:00 Timothy: People so that they'll make your job easier so they don't have to go to trial.

1:28:04 Timothy: You come along and deny them their rights, you make them impoverished, you do everything to do with injustice, and you go, well, if you don't agree with this, we're gonna take you to trial and we're gonna add on 15 more, you know, charges to the crime.

1:28:16 Timothy: But if you agree to this and you plead guilty to this, that's what you do.

1:28:19 Timothy: That's not what I do.

1:28:21 Timothy: I'm gonna keep repeating that.

1:28:22 Timothy: That is not what I do because that doesn't last.

1:28:27 Timothy: That doesn't produce life.

1:28:29 Timothy: That will draw no one to God.

1:28:31 Timothy: That's not lasting.

1:28:32 Timothy: That is selfish, it is vindictive, it is prideful, it is arrogant.

1:28:37 Timothy: It is Judge Lori K.

1:28:39 Timothy: Smith all wrapped up in a black robe, sitting behind a bench, pounding her gavel upon that, saying, No, you can't say that and you can't do this, but the prosecutor can do it all he wants.

1:28:54 Timothy: But the word of God came with power, with the Holy Spirit, with deep conviction.

1:29:00 Timothy: And then he goes on to say, and it's not boasting, it's not your arrogant boasting.

1:29:04 Timothy: You know how we lived among you for your sake.

1:29:08 Timothy: My life at Sound Doctrine was devoted to righteousness, holiness, obedience, humility, self-sacrifice.

1:29:16 Timothy: When Detecting McCall is up there saying everything comes back to Timothy Williams, he is flat out lying.

1:29:26 Timothy: Verse six, you became imitators of us and of the Lord.

1:29:30 Timothy: In spite of severe suffering, you welcomed the message with joy given by the Holy Spirit.

1:29:36 Timothy: What was it?

1:29:37 Timothy: What was his name?

1:29:37 Timothy: Bo.

1:29:38 Timothy: I can't think of his name.

1:29:39 Timothy: He he came in Chavez.

1:29:41 Timothy: Chavez came into the store, slanders us, saying, Yeah, everything's given to Timothy Williams.

1:29:46 Timothy: He he manages everybody's checkbooks.

1:29:48 Timothy: By the way, I'm a terrible accountant.

1:29:50 Timothy: I but that's beside the point.

1:29:52 Timothy: So he comes in, he spreads his slander, and he goes, but they all appeared happy enough.

1:29:56 Timothy: So he lies, totally slanders me, totally lies about what the church is, but he can't deny the joy that he sees.

1:30:04 Timothy: That is 1 Thessalonians 1, 6.

1:30:07 Timothy: You welcome the message with joy given by the power of the Holy Spirit.

1:30:11 Timothy: Believe me, Mr.

1:30:12 Timothy: Sism, I'm not walking around going, Jacob, you need to be happy.

1:30:16 Timothy: Jacob, put a smile on.

1:30:17 Timothy: God loves you.

1:30:18 Timothy: Everything's fine.

1:30:20 Timothy: Don't worry about your sin, right?

1:30:21 Timothy: I mean, do I do that?

1:30:22 Timothy: No.

1:30:23 Timothy: No.

1:30:23 Timothy: I invite you.

1:30:24 Timothy: Whatever.

1:30:25 Timothy: I'm not going to keep going on.

1:30:26 Timothy: All right.

1:30:26 Timothy: Verse 7.

1:30:27 Timothy: And so you became a model to all the believers of Macedonia and Achaea.

1:30:35 Timothy: All right, we're out of time for today.

1:30:37 Timothy: We'll pick up again and do another episode of the Consider Podcast.

1:30:42 SPEAKER_11: Nothing on the Consider Podcast should be considered legal or life advice.

1:30:46 SPEAKER_11: Each is admonished to seek a holy God and obey by picking up a cross to follow Jesus.

1:30:54 SPEAKER_11: The Consider Podcast.

1:31:01 SPEAKER_12: The following podcast centers around the legal trial of Washington State versus Malcolm Fraser.

1:31:07 SPEAKER_12: Mr.

1:31:07 SPEAKER_12: Fraser was charged with an impossible to commit sexual assault crime by Washington State prosecutors.

1:31:13 SPEAKER_12: The fact is even the manipulated accusers' testimony proves the crime could not have taken place.

1:31:19 SPEAKER_12: The prosecutor and hate crime agitator's goal was never to go to trial, but to destroy a Christian church by the weight of the accusations alone.

1:31:27 SPEAKER_12: A tactic so common that it is in the news today, every day, at every level within the court system.

1:31:34 SPEAKER_12: The following discussion is taken from actual court transcripts, video recordings, and investigations.

1:31:40 SPEAKER_12: Many of those speaking on the podcast personally went through the mud pit, unprofessional, and illegal prosecution using a hate crime as the foundation.

1:31:49 SPEAKER_12: This concise recap is backed up by overwhelming evidence that the City of Enum Claw police, Washington State Prosecutors, and judges, for nefarious reasons, corrupted every aspect of the non-existent investigation and unconstitutional court proceedings.

1:32:04 SPEAKER_12: Corruption's now so common that all but unreasonable individuals know it is standard operating procedure within the legal system.

1:32:12 SPEAKER_12: In short, the Sound Doctrine Christian Church was a victim of what is now termed lawfare.

1:32:17 SPEAKER_12: The year 2010 saw the compilation of a hate crime against Sound Doctrine Church by City of Enum Claw policeman Grant McCall and his co-conspirators.

1:32:27 SPEAKER_12: Seattle, Washington state prosecutors of King County used an innocent man to attack Timothy Williams of Sound Doctrine Church.

1:32:35 SPEAKER_12: Timothy Williams was not charged with any crime.

1:32:38 SPEAKER_12: Thus, the state of Washington proxy prosecuted Malcolm Fraser to destroy Timothy Williams.

1:32:44 SPEAKER_12: More than ample evidence can be found at www.consider.info.

1:32:50 SPEAKER_12: The podcast and history of these events are important to prepare true disciples of Jesus for what could soon take place in their lives or in the lives of their children.

1:33:00 SPEAKER_12: The proxy prosecution of Malcolm Fraser by Washington State judges was a perfect storm of persecution by prosecution.

1:33:08 SPEAKER_12: All would do well to prayerfully prepare themselves and their children for what sin-stained dark-souled judges, prosecutors, and police will gladly, happily do.

1:33:18 SPEAKER_12: We on the Consider Podcast pray that God may grant them repentance because it is, as the scriptures declare, a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.

1:33:29 SPEAKER_12: As Jesus encouraged us when he walked the earth, the Holy Spirit does admonish the Christian today.

1:33:36 SPEAKER_12: If anyone has ears to hear, let them hear.

1:33:39 SPEAKER_12: Mark chapter 4, verse 23, The Consider Podcast, examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

1:33:47 SPEAKER_12: www.consider.info.

1:34:01 Timothy: No question today, Jacob.

1:34:03 Timothy: Let's get to it.

1:34:04 Timothy: We got a lot of cover, he had a lot of Mr.

1:34:06 Timothy: Simmons had a lot of questions.

1:34:09 SPEAKER_11: Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where the whole gospel message is used to examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

1:34:17 SPEAKER_11: Acts 5.20.

1:34:19 SPEAKER_11: Go, stand, and speak to the people in the temple the whole message of this life.

1:34:24 SPEAKER_11: Join the hosts Timothy and Jacob as they pick up their cross to follow Jesus, as we pray that God enlightens the mind, according to verse 25 of Ecclesiastes chapter 7.

1:34:36 SPEAKER_11: So, I turned my mind to understand, to investigate, and to search out wisdom and the scheme of things, and to understand the stupidity of wickedness and the madness of folly.

1:34:47 SPEAKER_11: Ecclesiastes 7.25.

1:34:50 SPEAKER_11: The Consider Podcast, examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness with the whole gospel.info.

1:35:01 SPEAKER_10: Are you familiar with Greek called the Sound Auction Church?

1:35:05 SPEAKER_10: How is it that you came about joining the Sound Doctor Church?

1:35:08 SPEAKER_10: And where was Sound Doctor Associated?

1:35:10 SPEAKER_10: Back then around that time, how many people would you say were members of the church?

1:35:14 SPEAKER_10: What was it that drew your family to the church at the beginning?

1:35:17 SPEAKER_10: Did you join the foundation church having impact on your connection with your family other than just the connection with the dynasty country?

1:35:28 SPEAKER_10: Is one chest publishing associated anyway with the Sound Option Church?

1:35:32 SPEAKER_10: And would those transform be members of the Sound Option Church?

1:35:36 SPEAKER_10: Are you familiar with the Foundation Bookstore?

1:35:38 SPEAKER_10: To begin with what is a rebuke for those of us who don't understand what is what is rebuke and what's that mean in the context of the church?

1:35:46 SPEAKER_10: And when you say fellowship, what does that mean?

1:35:48 SPEAKER_10: Why do you remember the Sound Option Church and a member of that community?

1:35:52 SPEAKER_10: Was it important for you to follow the various teachings and doctrines of the church?

1:35:58 SPEAKER_10: Or was your understanding of that doctrine?

1:36:00 SPEAKER_10: While a member of the Sound Option Church, did your beliefs come from your understanding of the doctrine of the church?

1:36:06 SPEAKER_10: Did have any neighborhood friends that were not members of Sound Doctrine Church?

1:36:13 SPEAKER_10: Other than just kids in charge.

1:36:15 SPEAKER_10: And at that time, what was the kind of the leadership?

1:36:18 SPEAKER_10: How was it?

1:36:18 SPEAKER_10: Who was in charge?

1:36:20 SPEAKER_10: However, you say your salvation, was that an important thing for you during the time in Sound Doctrine Church?

1:36:25 SPEAKER_10: Do you in the Sound Doctrine Church really celebrate birthdays?

1:36:29 SPEAKER_10: How about was there any particular holiday celebration for Christmas or anything of that nature?

1:36:33 SPEAKER_10: Why was it you left Sound Doctrine Church?

1:36:36 Timothy: Jacob, was um your salvation important to you while you were at Sound Doctrine Church?

1:36:41 Timothy: Uh I think it's important all the time, but that's some of these questions are like just ludicrous.

1:36:47 Timothy: Yeah.

1:36:48 Timothy: It's just designed to make people hate the church.

1:36:50 Timothy: Like, what okay, I I'm assuming from that question that there's a lot of churches you can go to where your salvation's not important.

1:36:57 Timothy: Uh no.

1:36:58 Timothy: That's well, yeah, you just show up, you ask Jesus in your heart, and you're saved.

1:37:02 Timothy: So everybody's why why would he ask the question?

1:37:06 Jacob: Uh because he was trying to establish that it was this fear-mongering thing.

1:37:10 Jacob: Yeah, but he didn't say that.

1:37:11 Jacob: He just was important.

1:37:13 Jacob: Yeah, but that's what he's getting at.

1:37:15 Jacob: I mean, every one of his questions is to s uh say the Sound Doctrine Church was evil and twisted.

1:37:19 Jacob: That's what you know his stuff is coming back to.

1:37:24 Timothy: Again, if logic had anything to do with this, this trial would have never happened.

1:37:27 Timothy: Well, exactly.

1:37:27 Timothy: Malcolm Fraser would not be imprisoned.

1:37:29 Timothy: Um, but logic, reason, evidence clearly had nothing to do with it.

1:37:33 Timothy: But again, I'm kind of like, was salvation important?

1:37:35 Timothy: Uh no, it was just kind of media.

1:37:37 Timothy: Well, you know what?

1:37:38 Timothy: Clearly, if they were going to answer, they'd have to say no, because they fell away.

1:37:41 Timothy: They decided they didn't want it.

1:37:43 Timothy: Correct.

1:37:43 Timothy: So clearly it wasn't important enough.

1:37:45 Timothy: All right.

1:37:46 Timothy: This question, uh if Simmons thinks any of these questions, I've never heard these before, uh, he's delusional if he thinks all of this stuff was just kind of floating out there and I'd never been confronted.

1:37:56 Timothy: All right, so here's this question.

1:37:58 Timothy: How many people would you say were members of the church?

1:38:02 Timothy: And the the whole implication, I've heard this forever.

1:38:06 Timothy: The implication is, well, you only have a few members, and this church over here has a bunch of members.

1:38:11 Timothy: And if there's a bunch of members, they must be right and you must be wrong.

1:38:14 Jacob: Yeah, you must be, yeah, correct.

1:38:16 Timothy: That's where it's coming from.

1:38:17 Jacob: Oh, but by the way, there's cults that are huge.

1:38:19 Jacob: There's cults like, you know, there's like real uh, you know, extreme Mormon cult-like stuff.

1:38:25 Jacob: They got thousands and thousands of members.

1:38:27 Timothy: Well, in my mind, King County prosecutors are in a cult.

1:38:30 Timothy: They serve a higher authority, they have to follow all these rules, they get punished if they don't follow them, then they get rewarded if they do follow them.

1:38:38 Timothy: They're really the ones in a cult, not this.

1:38:41 Timothy: But you gotta, you know, it's laughable to think there's this number game.

1:38:45 Timothy: By the way, Mr.

1:38:46 Timothy: Simmons, go to John chapter 3, verse 24, because this this question goes all the way back to Jesus and John the Baptist and the church.

1:38:55 Timothy: This this kind of numbers game of who's right or wrong based on the number of people that believe.

1:39:02 Timothy: In fact, when they bring Jesus in, they go, have any of the Pharisees or any of the religious leaders or any of the Bible scholars, you know, one of the things that actually proves Son Doctor was right is none of the Bible scholars agree with what we were saying.

1:39:13 Timothy: Because that's exactly what happened to Jesus Christ.

1:39:15 Timothy: I'm not going to dwell too long on this.

1:39:17 Timothy: I just want to make a very, very quick point if I can.

1:39:20 Timothy: In John chapter 3, verse 24, now this is John the Baptist they're talking about.

1:39:24 Timothy: It says, this is before John was put in prison.

1:39:27 Timothy: And by the way, this will be a good example, Mr.

1:39:30 Timothy: Simmons, when we get to the what is a rebuke?

1:39:33 Timothy: This was before John was put in prison.

1:39:36 Timothy: John 3, 25.

1:39:37 Timothy: An argument developed between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew over the matter of ceremonial washing.

1:39:45 Timothy: So it's a doctrinal question, it's a debate about Bible stuff.

1:39:49 Timothy: You following this so far, Mr.

1:39:50 Timothy: Simmons, you see that this is this is what the issue over here is ceremonial washing about something, this, that, or the other.

1:39:56 Timothy: And if you want to get into what that debate was, well, then you can go talk to a lot of other people.

1:40:01 Timothy: When they come to John, they don't go, well, that we're discussing this issue over here.

1:40:07 Timothy: Can you settle the issue?

1:40:08 Timothy: No, what they do is what exactly what you did.

1:40:11 Timothy: They played the numbers game.

1:40:13 Timothy: Jacob, go ahead and read John chapter 3, verse 26.

1:40:17 Jacob: They came to John and said to him, Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordan, the one you testified about, well, he is baptizing and everyone is going to him.

1:40:29 Timothy: Okay, what's that got to do with the uh Bible question at hand, Jacob?

1:40:34 Timothy: And you know, and I really like the part where they they don't call Jesus anything, they don't call him the teacher.

1:40:40 Timothy: That man over there.

1:40:42 Timothy: That group, you know, it's not Sound Doctor True, it's that group and that leader, you know.

1:40:46 Timothy: They don't they de-personalize the individual on the tech.

1:40:50 Timothy: It all has to do with the numbers game.

1:40:51 Timothy: They came to John and said him, Rabbi.

1:40:54 Timothy: And see, they're flattering who?

1:40:56 Timothy: John.

1:40:56 Timothy: Rabbi.

1:40:58 Timothy: That man who was with you, that man on the other side of the Jordan, you know, on the other side of the issue, the one you testified about, the one trying to make him jealous, see, at this point, he's got more numbers than you.

1:41:09 Timothy: Well, as you can just hear, well, he is baptizing, he's doing this stuff, and everyone is coming to him, which isn't quite true, right?

1:41:19 Timothy: But everyone is going to him.

1:41:21 Timothy: Therefore, John, we must be right or wrong or whatever they're trying to do, right?

1:41:25 Timothy: They're playing the game.

1:41:28 Timothy: It's true, Sound Doctrine Church never had a lot of members.

1:41:30 Timothy: It would fluctuate up and down, people come, people visit.

1:41:34 Timothy: But in John chapter 3, verse 27, John says this, and again, we're back to God.

1:41:39 Timothy: We're back to looking to only him.

1:41:41 Timothy: And that's what Sound Doctrine Church was about loving the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, all your soul and strength.

1:41:47 Timothy: It was him and only him, and that's all it was about.

1:41:49 Timothy: To this John replied, a man can receive only what is given him from heaven.

1:41:55 Timothy: God had determined a certain number of people at a certain time would come to Sound Doctrine Church.

1:42:00 Timothy: I had no control over there.

1:42:01 Timothy: I wasn't supposed to go out and try and find 50 extra members for God.

1:42:05 Timothy: I was supposed to do what God called me to do.

1:42:07 Timothy: And if that involved 5,000 people, fine.

1:42:09 Timothy: If it involved five people, fine.

1:42:11 Timothy: And you've succeeded in getting me down to one or two people at this point.

1:42:15 Timothy: So that's what God has allotted.

1:42:16 Timothy: That's what he's allowed.

1:42:17 Timothy: That's who he's drawn.

1:42:18 Timothy: And I'm fine with that.

1:42:19 Timothy: I'll preach the whole word.

1:42:20 Timothy: They've got churches they need to go to, they've got places they need to begin to go to.

1:42:25 Timothy: And I'm totally content with this.

1:42:27 Timothy: This is not a numbers game.

1:42:28 Timothy: This is not like who has the biggest church and what's going on.

1:42:31 Timothy: But you know what?

1:42:32 Timothy: Your sinister little hissing of the snake.

1:42:35 Timothy: Oh, how many members did you have at that time?

1:42:38 Timothy: And where were you located?

1:42:39 Timothy: And all that kind of evil suspicion that again had nothing to do with anything going on.

1:42:45 Timothy: Anything you want to add to that, Jacob?

1:42:47 Timothy: No.

1:42:48 Timothy: All right, let's go.

1:42:50 Timothy: And I think this is probably one of his Mr.

Numbers Game And Defining Rebuke

1:42:53 Timothy: Simmons' favorite.

1:42:54 Timothy: Correct me if I'm wrong.

1:42:54 Timothy: Feel free to say, no, that's not one of my favorite questions, but you ask to begin, what is a rebuke?

1:43:01 Timothy: For those of us who don't understand what is a rebuke and what's that mean in the context of the church?

1:43:08 Timothy: Man, that is a loaded question.

1:43:10 Timothy: That's a mouthful.

1:43:11 Timothy: Yes, it is indeed.

1:43:14 Timothy: Well, after probably 10 years of you destroying the church, me doing the podcast, you really kind of should have a little bit of a good idea on what a rebuke might be.

1:43:23 Timothy: But let me explain to you.

1:43:25 Timothy: Here's a definition of a rebuke.

1:43:27 Timothy: It's up to you.

1:43:30 Timothy: To a person with a soft, teachable heart, nothing's a rebuke.

1:43:37 Timothy: To somebody that's hard-hearted and somebody thinks they're self-righteously right, somebody who can go into an environment and there's a a judge that controls the conversation and a and a jury that can, ooh, approve and they can be manipulated, and you don't really have to reason things out, and everything's kind of put in its place, and you can object to the way a question is framed or where it's coming from.

1:43:57 Timothy: Any type of correction, the slightest correction to a spoiled child is what?

1:44:03 Timothy: A rebuke.

1:44:05 Timothy: Right, Jacob?

1:44:06 Timothy: Correct.

1:44:06 Timothy: Let's just take children here for a second.

1:44:08 Timothy: You've got a child that cleans its room, generally is very good, is very obedient.

1:44:14 Timothy: Then you've got the typical public school child that's spoiled, rotten, part of the Washington State corrupt system, being lured away from their parents.

1:44:21 Timothy: They don't do anything, they're not allowed to do anything, they can't even do push-ups.

1:44:24 Timothy: You know, they so you go to them and you go, you go to both children.

1:44:28 Timothy: One is kind and submissive, the other is rebellious and stubborn and selfish.

1:44:33 Timothy: And you say to each one in the same way, the same tone, go clean your room.

1:44:38 Timothy: What are the reactions you're gonna get to the one child that is kind and nice, gonna go, yeah, go clean the room.

1:44:46 Timothy: And that could actually become a fun thing to go do.

1:44:49 Timothy: Because why?

1:44:49 Timothy: They're not a rebellious kind of child.

1:44:51 Timothy: They're not spoiled.

1:44:52 Timothy: But to a spoiled child, you always do that.

1:44:54 Timothy: You don't love me, you're being mean.

1:44:56 Timothy: Start crying, start weeping, throwing a fit, correct?

1:44:59 Timothy: Correct.

1:44:59 Timothy: So, Mr.

1:45:00 Timothy: Simmons, it has to do with your heart on what a rebuke is.

1:45:04 Timothy: That's the first thing.

1:45:06 Timothy: Now, now there's a whole gamma and level of different kinds of rebukes, styles of rebukes, how they come in.

1:45:12 Timothy: There's counseling, there's corrections, there's laws, there's admonishments, there's a lot of like gentle type stuff, but you you honed in on rebuke.

1:45:19 Timothy: And in your mind, I'm assuming in your mind, I walked around rebuke.

1:45:23 Timothy: Oh, you're rebuked, go do this, and you're rebuked, go wash my car, and you're rebuked, and go do this work and this labor over here.

1:45:30 Timothy: I'm assuming that's what it is.

1:45:32 Timothy: If there was any rebuking going on, you need to get this square between your eyes.

1:45:37 Timothy: It had to do with righteousness, loving your family, being obedient, doing what's right, telling the truth, walking in the light.

1:45:46 Timothy: I that I'm getting ahead of myself.

1:45:48 Timothy: But what applies to King County courts is Amos chapter 5, verse 10.

1:45:52 Timothy: Jacob, go to Amos chapter 5, verse 10.

1:45:56 Timothy: Because I remember right after your little victory that you had and getting the guilty plea, I called um what was his name again, the tennis shoe guy?

1:46:05 Timothy: Rich Anderson.

1:46:06 Timothy: Yeah.

1:46:07 Timothy: Rich Anderson.

1:46:07 Timothy: I called him on the phone because you guys weren't going to look into the hate crime, and I was just trying one last time, like we look, no, we're not gonna do that.

1:46:14 Timothy: So I call him and he's answered the phone.

1:46:16 Timothy: He's all puffed up.

1:46:17 Timothy: We won, we're there.

1:46:18 Timothy: So he picks up the phone in all his arrogant confidence, and I asked him a simple question.

1:46:22 Timothy: What is humility?

1:46:24 Timothy: And he said, Well, humility is when you went above my head to Sattersburg and asked him to look into the situation, that's humility.

1:46:33 Timothy: Well, that told me everything.

1:46:34 Timothy: His pride was wounded.

1:46:35 Timothy: No wonder he was vicious.

1:46:37 Timothy: No wonder he went after me.

1:46:38 Timothy: No wonder you guys were all fired up.

1:46:40 Timothy: You didn't like your little authority.

1:46:42 Timothy: You didn't like people calling into question and going above you and implying that somehow you would do something wrong.

1:46:47 Timothy: You were the spoiled child.

1:46:48 Timothy: That's Amos chapter 5, verse 10.

1:46:51 Timothy: That's Old Testament.

1:46:52 Timothy: Amos chapter 5, verse 10.

1:46:53 Timothy: You hate the one who reproves in court and you despise him who tells the truth.

1:47:00 Timothy: Remember the little social worker you were asking questions who was a part of the church, and she wasn't testifying according to all the other social workers would have done.

1:47:08 Timothy: And so your little attitude was like, well, thank you very much.

1:47:12 Timothy: And we could pick up on the tone.

1:47:13 Timothy: And by the way, the department she was working in began to retaliate against her after that trial because she didn't conform to the way that you wanted her to answer.

1:47:23 Timothy: Amos 510, you hate the one who reproves in court and you despise him who tells the truth.

1:47:30 Timothy: That certainly was the case through all of this.

1:47:32 Timothy: We sent over a bucko amount of truth.

1:47:34 Timothy: We sent over at our own expense all kinds of research, proof of everything, being like, we're still doing it.

1:47:40 Timothy: And you just hate us because why?

1:47:42 Timothy: We reprove.

1:47:43 Timothy: We reveal the fact that you call jury duty a dog and pony show.

1:47:46 Timothy: And instead of reforming your ways, now you just change it so, well, the judge may want to talk to you separately.

1:47:52 Timothy: You're not going to allow anybody to disparage in any way that there might be a question about what's going on in the corruption of King County courts.

1:48:00 Timothy: Verse 11 of Amos 5, you trample on the poor.

1:48:04 Timothy: And that's what you do.

1:48:05 Timothy: You bring anybody into that courtroom.

1:48:08 Timothy: The first thing you try to do is to make them full of poverty.

1:48:11 Timothy: Your goal was to destroy Wine Press Publishing, Sound Doctrine Church, the Salt Shaker Bookstore to deprive everybody of their money and their means to defend themselves.

1:48:20 Timothy: You trample on the poor.

1:48:22 Timothy: You do worse things.

1:48:23 Timothy: You make them poor and you force them to give grain.

1:48:26 Timothy: We got to pay for our own lawyer.

1:48:28 Timothy: We got to pay babysitters to keep you in line.

1:48:31 Timothy: That's what mostly the lawyers are paid to do is to watch you so you don't get so far out of hand.

1:48:35 Timothy: And of course, the rules and laws and Judge Laurie K.

1:48:38 Timothy: Smith will let you do anything.

1:48:39 Timothy: So it's a futile attempt.

1:48:40 Timothy: So you're broke, you're poor, you ran out of town by the time you're done.

1:48:43 Timothy: You win even when you lose.

1:48:48 Timothy: Amos 5, 12, for I know how many are your offenses and how great your sins.

1:48:54 Timothy: You oppress the righteous and take bribes, and you deprive the poor of justice in courts.

1:49:01 Timothy: That's you.

1:49:03 Timothy: Judge Laurie K.

1:49:04 Timothy: Smith, because she's woman of the year, ensured that the person that was lying about all the activities that went on was able to say whatever she wanted.

1:49:15 Timothy: In fact, didn't the judge order you to allow the defense to question the accuser for 30 minutes?

1:49:22 Timothy: Okay.

1:49:22 Timothy: Whoa, send off the fireworks.

1:49:24 Timothy: 30 minutes.

1:49:24 Timothy: Okay, so we got three minutes.

1:49:26 Timothy: But did you comply?

1:49:27 Timothy: No, you didn't comply.

1:49:28 Timothy: You just ignored it.

1:49:29 Timothy: Your excuse was we couldn't find an adult to bring her to the meeting.

1:49:33 Timothy: You know, I do agree with you.

1:49:35 Timothy: There are no adults up there at King County.

1:49:37 Timothy: But you didn't even comply with the judge's order there.

1:49:39 Timothy: You oppressed the righteous.

1:49:41 Timothy: That's all that you and Judge Laurie K.

1:49:44 Timothy: Smith and the system did.

1:49:46 Timothy: And Beth Andrews White Warzed detective McCall and set into motion all of this destruction.

1:49:51 Timothy: You oppress the righteous.

1:49:52 Timothy: You take bribes.

1:49:53 Timothy: You just want to be patted on the back.

1:49:55 Timothy: You sold your soul at a pizza party where Satisburg Talked you into becoming a prosecutor rather than a defense attorney.

1:50:04 Timothy: You oppress the righteous, you take bribes, you deprive the poor of justice in the courts.

1:50:12 Timothy: Well, that's a rebuke.

1:50:14 Timothy: You can do with what you want.

1:50:15 Timothy: Let's keep digging a little bit more.

1:50:18 Timothy: Now here's what goes on.

1:50:19 Timothy: In King County courts, I doubt that I've made very many friends, right, Jacob?

1:50:24 Timothy: Correct.

1:50:24 Timothy: I don't think there's I'm certainly no judges called me and said, thank you, man.

1:50:29 Timothy: We really needed that.

1:50:30 Timothy: We need to clean up our act and we've gone too far.

1:50:33 Timothy: There's certainly been a no-call for fasting and to loosen the bounds of injustice, right?

1:50:37 Timothy: No, they just go more and more into their darkness and corruption.

1:50:42 Timothy: What they're doing is exactly what happened to John the Baptist.

1:50:45 Timothy: Let's go to Mark chapter 6, verse 17.

1:50:48 Timothy: And John the Baptist again was not that read.

1:50:51 Timothy: He spoke very clearly and bluntly, and it was a matter of the law.

1:50:54 Timothy: Herod was an official, says, For Herod himself had given orders to have John arrested.

1:50:59 Timothy: Sound familiar, Mr.

1:51:01 Timothy: Simmons?

1:51:02 Timothy: And he had him bound and put in prison.

1:51:05 Timothy: He did this because Herodias, his brother Philip's wife, whom he had married.

1:51:10 Timothy: So John the Baptist is rebuking him because he's breaking God's law and taking another man's wife.

1:51:16 Timothy: You know, shacking up, that kind of thing.

1:51:18 Timothy: Mark chapter 6, verse 18.

1:51:20 Timothy: For John had been saying to Herod, it is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife.

1:51:25 Timothy: I mean, it's just basic common sense.

1:51:27 Timothy: Now I'm not trying to minimize what he's saying, but my point is everything that we've talked about with King County courts and the justice, it's just basic stuff.

1:51:35 Timothy: Basic rights denied.

1:51:37 Timothy: This is not complicated.

1:51:38 Timothy: This is they make it complicated so they can get by with it.

1:51:42 Timothy: All right, well, here's the response of Herodias.

1:51:46 Timothy: Mark chapter 6, verse 19.

1:51:48 Timothy: So Herodias nursed a grudge against John.

1:51:52 Timothy: All that's happening is everybody's nursing a grudge.

1:51:55 Timothy: You know, like a baby at the tit.

1:51:57 Timothy: They just keep going back to it and they just keep sucking on it every 15, 20, 30 minutes, and they keep, oh man, he didn't need to say this, and blah, blah, blah.

1:52:06 Timothy: So that's all that's happening.

1:52:08 Timothy: Nothing's changing.

1:52:10 Timothy: Nobody's being more righteous.

1:52:11 Timothy: It's all just becoming more dark.

1:52:14 Timothy: All right.

1:52:14 Timothy: So that that's a rebuke.

1:52:16 Timothy: That's one style of rebuke.

1:52:19 Timothy: There are all levels of rebuke.

1:52:21 Timothy: Rebus can be soft and short.

1:52:24 Timothy: They can be strong and sharp.

1:52:26 Timothy: The whole goal, though, and this is what you don't seem to understand, is it has to do with righteousness, loving each other, avoiding sin, doing what's right, being lawful.

1:52:37 Timothy: That's what all this is about.

1:52:38 Timothy: That's what those rebukes are about.

1:52:40 Timothy: And this is just one aspect of Sound Doctrine Church.

1:52:44 Timothy: There was much more laying down your life, counseling, admonishing, praying for one another.

1:52:48 Timothy: You just happen to hone in, because you know, it's a rebuke.

1:52:52 Timothy: And the and here's another angle that he's forgetting.

1:52:57 Timothy: When somebody becomes stubborn, in other words, the people you put on the trial, the reason they came to Sound Doctrine Church is because their family life was a mess.

1:53:05 Timothy: Divorced, remarried, we kind of covered that, involved in all kinds of they they hated one another.

1:53:10 Timothy: When you ask the question, like, well, do you have any neighbors that you know that were friends within the church?

1:53:17 Timothy: Well, there's a whole doctrinal issue I could go into, but but here's the case.

1:53:20 Timothy: The woman that you're asking that to on the stand fought everybody.

1:53:24 Timothy: She got in an argument with her neighbor, and she eventually had to write out a note and go put it in their mailbox and apologize to the letter.

1:53:32 Timothy: She's constantly fighting with everybody.

1:53:34 Timothy: So if she was being truthful, what she was being rebuked for was not loving other people, not being gentle, not being kind.

1:53:43 Timothy: Right, Jacob?

1:53:44 Timothy: Correct.

1:53:46 Timothy: And eventually she got tired of being rebuked for being called to love one another, to love her husband, to love her children, to do what's right, to be gentle.

1:53:57 Timothy: She fought at every level, on every level possible.

1:54:01 Timothy: One of the reasons why such and such didn't spend time at home on the weekends is because it was a miserable situation and they would not repent.

1:54:12 Timothy: But, you know, hey, Judge Laurie K.

1:54:14 Timothy: Smith's not going to let that come out in court, is she?

1:54:16 Timothy: No.

1:54:17 Timothy: No, of course not.

1:54:18 Timothy: Let me give you an example of humility here.

1:54:22 Timothy: Now, I don't know, again, I don't know how much you know your Bible.

1:54:25 Timothy: Clearly, not enough.

1:54:28 Timothy: King David is considered one of the holiest examples in scripture.

1:54:34 Timothy: Everybody talks about wanting a heart like King David.

1:54:37 Timothy: And he's a good man.

1:54:39 Timothy: He was after God's own heart.

1:54:40 Timothy: Made a lot of mistakes, did a lot of problems.

1:54:43 Timothy: He walked with humility.

1:54:45 Timothy: And I'm going to play this next clip, which is this scripture.

1:54:49 Timothy: This is one of my.

1:55:13 Timothy: So when you know you ask somebody on the stand, so did you leave sound doctor at some time?

1:55:20 Timothy: Yeah, people go through struggles, Mr.

1:55:21 Timothy: Simmons.

1:55:22 Timothy: And when you talk about God disciplining them and trying to deal with them, and they go through struggles, they worked through it clearly, didn't they?

1:55:29 Timothy: They were on the stand when you ask the question.

1:55:32 Timothy: The crucified life, following Jesus Christ, is serious, suffering business.

1:55:39 Timothy: God didn't make hell because our sins are minor.

1:55:43 Timothy: Anyway, David's on the run, and out comes this old man throwing stones and pebbles at him, walking along.

1:55:50 Timothy: And well, I'll just let you enjoy the scripture.

1:55:52 Timothy: Go ahead and play it, Jacob.

1:55:56 SPEAKER_15: As King David approached Behuram, a man from the same clan as Saul's family came out from there.

1:56:03 SPEAKER_15: His name was Shemei, son of Girah, and he cursed as he came out.

1:56:11 SPEAKER_15: He pelted David and all the king's officials with stones.

1:56:24 SPEAKER_15: As he cursed, Shimei said, Get out! Get out! You man of blood! You scoundrel! The Lord has repaid you for all the blood you shed in the household of Saul, and whose place you have reigned! The Lord has handed the kingdom over to your son Absalom! You've come to ruin because you're a man of blood.

1:56:49 SPEAKER_15: Then Abyssia, son of Zeariah, said to the king, Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king?

1:56:58 SPEAKER_15: Let me go over and cut off his head.

1:57:01 SPEAKER_15: But the king said, What do you and I have in common?

1:57:05 SPEAKER_15: Your son is Zariah.

1:57:07 SPEAKER_15: If he is cursing because the Lord said to him, Curse David! Who can ask, why do you do this?

1:57:15 SPEAKER_15: Then David said to Abyssai and all his officials, My son, who is of my own flesh, is trying to take my life.

1:57:25 SPEAKER_15: How much more than this Benjamite?

1:57:28 SPEAKER_15: Leave him alone.

1:57:30 SPEAKER_15: Let him curse.

1:57:32 SPEAKER_15: For the Lord has told him to.

1:57:34 SPEAKER_15: It may be that the Lord will see my distress and repay me with good for the cursing I'm receiving today.

1:57:41 SPEAKER_15: 2 Samuel 16, 5 through 12.

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1:58:00 Timothy: Now that is a lesson in humility.

1:58:02 Timothy: King David and all that power, all that authority, being disciplined by God, everything about him would want to justify himself, come back out.

1:58:10 Timothy: And this old man is coming out throwing pebbles and stones, saying the vilest of things.

1:58:16 Timothy: And other people saying, Oh, let me defend you.

1:58:18 Timothy: This would be as if King David were a prosecutor in court.

1:58:21 Timothy: And every, you know, you got this old man in court calling him everything.

1:58:25 Timothy: You're a liar, conniver, and the whole bit.

1:58:27 Timothy: And the prosecutor and the judge wants to shut him down, the bailiff wants to put handcuffs and putting him in prison.

1:58:32 Timothy: And the prosecutor turned and says, No, no, he's right.

1:58:35 Timothy: The Lord has sent him.

1:58:36 Timothy: Maybe God will see it and have mercy on me.

1:58:38 Timothy: Now, you ever seen that kind of humility in a court of law?

1:58:41 Timothy: No.

1:58:41 Timothy: Not even close, let alone you very seldom see it in life today.

1:58:45 Timothy: But that's a lesson of humility.

1:58:46 Timothy: When an old man's throwing rocks at you and you glorify God, what can you say?

1:58:51 Timothy: But amen.

1:58:52 Timothy: Proverbs 1531, Mr.

1:58:54 Timothy: Simmons, this is the nature of a rebuke, and it has to do with what you will do or not do.

1:59:02 Timothy: Proverbs 1531.

1:59:04 Timothy: He who listens to a life-giving rebuke will be at home among the wise.

1:59:10 Timothy: You see, a life-giving rebuke.

1:59:12 Timothy: Simmons, you've never, ever, one time in your life given a life-giving rebuke.

1:59:18 Timothy: There's not a single prosecutor in the land that has accused somebody that's a defendant with a life-giving rebuke.

1:59:25 Timothy: You've rebuked, you've hissed, you've made them look bad, you've promoted all kinds of lies, but you've never, ever given a life-giving rebuke.

1:59:36 Timothy: A rebuke with meaning and love and power.

1:59:38 Timothy: And if you obeyed and submitted to it and you humbled and you wept over it and you gave it, you'd have rich life in Jesus Christ.

1:59:45 Timothy: But see, you have to listen.

1:59:47 Timothy: Proverbs 15, 31.

1:59:48 Timothy: He who listens to a life-giving rebuke, you won't listen.

1:59:52 Timothy: I watch you prosecutors, I watch you please.

1:59:54 Timothy: You'll come by, you'll look at a message on the board, but you won't read it.

1:59:57 Timothy: You'll look at the title.

1:59:58 Timothy: That way you're not accountable.

1:59:59 Timothy: You don't have to look at these things.

2:00:01 Timothy: You don't have to examine.

2:00:02 Timothy: There's no depth to you.

2:00:04 Timothy: You people are just dogs that will tear anything to pieces if you can win it.

2:00:09 Timothy: Proverbs 15, 32.

2:00:11 Timothy: He who ignores discipline despises himself.

2:00:14 Timothy: All you do is despise yourself.

2:00:16 Timothy: But whoever heeds correction gains understanding.

2:00:20 Timothy: Now, technically, a correction is not a rebuke.

2:00:23 Timothy: Again, it depends on the heart.

2:00:24 Timothy: Jacob, don't you and I correct each other all the time?

2:00:27 Timothy: Yeah.

2:00:27 Timothy: And you'll come.

2:00:29 Timothy: And do I strike back?

2:00:30 Timothy: Am I some type of snake that comes, you know, hey, I'm in the Lord.

2:00:34 Timothy: I've been here longer than you.

2:00:35 Timothy: What are you doing?

2:00:35 Timothy: You're wrong, or get huffy or mad, or spend the day pouting.

2:00:38 Timothy: No.

2:00:39 Timothy: No, of course not.

2:00:40 Timothy: I want the correction.

2:00:41 Timothy: Excuse me.

2:00:42 Timothy: I need them.

2:00:43 Timothy: We all do.

2:00:44 Timothy: He who ignores discipline, and again, see, we're back to a disciplined life.

2:00:49 Timothy: It's a little sharp.

2:00:50 Timothy: It's a little touch.

2:00:51 Timothy: It's not a rebuke.

2:00:52 Timothy: Discipline involved, I understand where she stated.

2:00:56 Timothy: It says you can't discipline anybody anymore.

2:00:58 Timothy: So nobody knows what this means.

2:01:00 Timothy: But discipline has a little bit of an edge to it, but it's not a full rebuke.

2:01:05 Timothy: He who ignores discipline despises himself.

2:01:08 Timothy: If I know I learned the hard way, I had to be humbled.

2:01:11 Timothy: It took time.

2:01:12 Timothy: My pride had to fall.

2:01:14 Timothy: It had to go.

2:01:15 Timothy: When I started heeding them, I gained understanding in life.

2:01:18 Timothy: You got to also be afraid.

2:01:20 Timothy: Proverbs 15, 33.

2:01:22 Timothy: The fear of the Lord teaches a man wisdom.

2:01:24 Timothy: You have to be afraid.

2:01:26 Timothy: You had absolutely no fear about what you're doing.

2:01:30 Timothy: Bob Ferguson, attorney general who likes to attack grandmothers, absolutely had no fear about attacking a grandmother, an older grandmother.

2:01:40 Timothy: I mean, what what a fool.

2:01:42 Timothy: You know, there you you prosecutors and authorities, you really need to back up and go, you know, there's just certain things.

2:01:48 Timothy: They may be breaking the law.

2:01:50 Timothy: They may be wrong, but they're old people or the city, we just don't need to touch it.

2:01:55 Timothy: It's just not a bad enough example to go there.

2:01:57 Timothy: But no, you you'll you'll grab anything in because why?

2:01:59 Timothy: There is no fear of the Lord.

2:02:01 Timothy: The fear of the Lord teaches the man wisdom.

2:02:03 Timothy: There's no wisdom about going or not going toward a grandmother.

2:02:07 Timothy: There's no wisdom about, hey, maybe we're bringing in all these liars because that's what we want to hear.

2:02:14 Timothy: And humility comes before honor.

2:02:17 Timothy: I understand by law that when Judge Laurie K.

2:02:20 Timothy: Smith comes in, we have to say the honorable Judge Laurie K.

2:02:23 Timothy: Smith, but that's by law.

2:02:25 Timothy: That's by force.

2:02:26 Timothy: That's what your cult's about.

2:02:28 Timothy: You see, my cult, quote unquote, the church there, there nobody was forced to call me anything.

2:02:33 Timothy: I wasn't known as Mr.

2:02:35 Timothy: Pastor or Mr.

2:02:36 Timothy: So-and-so.

2:02:36 Timothy: In fact, there's a whole book that was not sent to you called Insanity in the Church.

2:02:41 Timothy: And surely by now you've read it because you want to know the truth.

2:02:44 Timothy: That kind of not, but I'm not Pastor So-and-so, Mr.

2:02:47 Timothy: Spiritual So-and-so.

2:02:48 Timothy: I wasn't even addressed that way.

2:02:49 Timothy: I was a fellow servant with everybody else.

2:02:55 Timothy: Isn't that correct, Jacob?

2:02:56 Timothy: Correct.

2:02:57 Timothy: All right.

2:02:58 Timothy: Proverbs 123.

2:03:00 Timothy: If you had responded to my rebuke, think how much pain and suffering Washington state and everybody else can spare themselves.

2:03:08 Timothy: We're not even at the judgment seat yet.

2:03:10 Timothy: If you had responded to my rebuke, a spoiled child doesn't respond.

2:03:15 Timothy: Well, okay.

2:03:16 Timothy: They respond.

2:03:16 Timothy: I'm going to play the legal thing.

2:03:18 Timothy: They respond, they get angry, they throw a fit, they wet their pants, they kick the floor, they go tell everybody, my mommy's mean, my mommy abuses me, right?

2:03:25 Timothy: Goes all the way down the line.

2:03:27 Timothy: That's not the kind of response we're talking about.

2:03:29 Timothy: We're talking about a response that's humble, that's teachable, that, yeah, you're right, I need to clean my room, or I wasn't feeling good, or whatever.

2:03:35 Timothy: If you had responded to my rebuke, now look at the promise here.

2:03:39 Timothy: Proverbs 123.

2:03:40 Timothy: Here's the promise.

2:03:41 Timothy: I would have poured out my heart to you and made my thoughts known to you.

2:03:46 Timothy: See, it's all about God.

2:03:47 Timothy: The reason why these people are so bitter, and you brought them in and encouraged them to lie is because they didn't respond to the rebuke.

2:03:55 Timothy: Had they responded to the rebuke that God gets through his word, the rebuke through sermons, rebuke through fellowship, rebuke on their own, analyzing their own life, bringing themselves under judgment, humbling themselves, God says he would have poured out his heart and made his thoughts known to you.

2:04:12 Timothy: And we know that God has a heart of love and he's full of wisdom.

2:04:16 Timothy: And the reason why you didn't see that joy and that's not there, because they did not respond to the rebuke.

2:04:23 Timothy: Or they responded with lip service, or they went just a little bit into it, but they didn't respond unto picking up their cross, denying themselves, and following Jesus Christ.

2:04:35 Timothy: Proverbs 124.

2:04:36 Timothy: But since you rejected me when I called, and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand, since you ignored all my advice.

2:04:43 Timothy: You see, rebukes also have to do with advice.

2:04:47 Timothy: But advice is different looking than a full-fledged rebuke.

2:04:50 Timothy: So when you ask a question, what does a rebuke look like?

2:04:53 Timothy: That can't be answered.

2:04:54 Timothy: Jesus Christ is not a soundbite religion.

2:04:57 Timothy: There's advice, there's admonishment, there's correction, there's everyday things, there's voicing back and forth, there's praying about things.

2:05:04 Timothy: It's a lot of effort and a lot of work to go around and pray and seek the Lord and get one another's counsel and go back and forth.

2:05:12 Timothy: There was not in any way, shape, or form anybody walking around with a super, super authority that rebuked everybody, telling them to keep in line.

2:05:20 Timothy: I don't know exactly what you were told.

2:05:22 Timothy: I can imagine.

2:05:22 Timothy: I've kind of heard it forever, but it's a complete lie.

2:05:27 Timothy: I called and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand.

2:05:30 Timothy: Since you ignored all my advice and would not accept my rebuke, I in turn will laugh at your disaster.

2:05:37 Timothy: You're only reaping your own doom.

2:05:39 Timothy: God is reaching out his hand day and night.

2:05:42 Timothy: Just this podcast alone has been going on for years.

2:05:45 Timothy: He's reaching out to you.

2:05:47 Timothy: He's reaching out to the jury pool, to everybody that was involved, to the bailiffs, to everybody, to the warden, to everybody that's involved, all of King County, Bob Ferguson, Inslee, all these, everybody, God is holding out his hand to deliver you from your pride and from your sins and for your life that is completely a mess.

2:06:08 Timothy: Or shall we talk about some of the specifics?

2:06:11 Timothy: I don't think so.

2:06:12 Timothy: It's not proper at the moment.

2:06:14 Timothy: I will in turn laugh at your disaster.

2:06:16 Timothy: I will mock when calamity overtakes you.

2:06:19 Timothy: There'll come a point when God will just quit speaking, when it'll stop.

2:06:22 Timothy: Or like John the Baptist, you'll cut off somebody's head, you'll silence them, they won't be able to say anything.

2:06:29 Timothy: Proverbs 127.

2:06:30 Timothy: When calamity overtakes you like a storm, it's just going to come sweeping in.

2:06:35 Timothy: When disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind, when distress and trouble overwhelm you, it's coming.

2:06:40 Timothy: That's a promise.

2:06:41 Timothy: And it'll come in such a way you won't be able to control it, you won't be able to respond to it, it will overwhelm you.

2:06:47 Timothy: I don't, again, have time to go through all this month.

2:06:50 Timothy: You need to go back and meditate on these things.

2:06:52 Timothy: Let me put it to you this way.

2:06:53 Timothy: Don't take my word for it.

2:06:55 Timothy: If you think this is a bunch of bunk, go in, pray, get on your knees and say, God, is this true?

2:06:59 Timothy: Ask him to send the whirlwind.

2:07:01 Timothy: Ask him to send the judgment and see what happens.

2:07:04 Timothy: Proverbs 128 says, At that point, then they will call to me, but I will not answer.

2:07:09 Timothy: They will look for me but will not find me, since they hated knowledge.

2:07:15 Timothy: Man, how you people hated the knowledge of what Sound Doctrine Church was about.

2:07:19 Timothy: You tell Detective McCall, send over everything you have on the church, anything written by anybody else, and you get like nine complaints or nine somethings or other, and he deleted evidence and he did all the other things.

2:07:34 Timothy: Again, no books, no tracks, no sermons, no nothing.

2:07:37 Timothy: You hated the knowledge.

2:07:38 Timothy: Because let me tell you something, all of those books, all of those tracks, all of those sermons would have given you a very good picture of exactly what Sound Doc Church is about.

2:07:45 Timothy: But you didn't look.

2:07:46 Timothy: You didn't want to examine.

2:07:48 Timothy: And then we hired a private investigator to come in to give you an independent view of what the whole church was about.

2:07:54 Timothy: But that didn't even matter to you either.

2:07:55 Timothy: You wanted all the lies, you wanted all the corruption.

2:07:57 Timothy: Nothing that could be said that actually had to do with the truth.

2:08:01 Timothy: You did not want that knowledge.

2:08:03 Timothy: Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the Lord, there was absolutely no fear that, you know what?

2:08:09 Timothy: We could be listening to liars.

2:08:11 Timothy: These people could be of God.

2:08:13 Timothy: There was nothing, not even a question about what was going on.

2:08:17 Timothy: Since they would not accept my advice and spurn my rebuke.

2:08:21 Timothy: Again, rebukes and advice and all, it just kind of depends on you and your situation and your heart and what needs to be said.

2:08:29 Timothy: I could say it in the most gentle way, like, yeah, it's not proper to be shacked up with a police chief.

2:08:35 Timothy: And say that in the most gentle, kind, loving way, and I'll still get the same reaction as if it were a solid rebuke.

2:08:42 Timothy: And by the way, those are the people you work for.

2:08:45 Timothy: You work for a state that takes away children from uh parents, that undermines parental authority, that has a family court that only is about separating families, demeaning the father.

2:08:58 Timothy: You you have a state that will lure children and daughters away to get birth control without their parents' knowledge, mutilate their genitalia.

2:09:07 Timothy: You you everything that you participate in, you think that's what we were doing, and you have the audacity to think you could possibly understand the righteousness that was inside.

2:09:18 Timothy: You work for the cult of cults.

2:09:21 Timothy: You work for, or you did work for, a system and a state and a government and a set of laws that are completely, absolutely bankrupt, both physically, morally, and legally.

2:09:33 Timothy: There isn't one left good thing left within Washington state.

2:09:38 Timothy: Since they would not accept my advice, spurn my rebuke, they will eat the fruit of their ways.

2:09:43 Timothy: And this last part describes prosecutors, judges, and police to a T.

2:09:48 Timothy: So I'm going to back up and read Proverbs 131 a little slower because this is what it's about.

2:09:55 Timothy: They will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.

2:10:05 Timothy: Aren't prosecutors known for their schemes, Jacob?

2:10:08 Timothy: Yes.

2:10:09 Timothy: Hiding evidence, altering evidence, partial evidence, delaying everything.

2:10:14 Timothy: It goes on and on.

2:10:16 Timothy: I remember one of the things that I did, I sent over to the Enam call police.

2:10:20 Timothy: We were doing a newspaper at the time trying to get out our side of the story.

2:10:27 Timothy: And so then King County prosecutors said, Yeah, send us over everything you got.

2:10:31 Timothy: But they didn't send over the newspaper.

2:10:33 Timothy: They didn't send over anything that I had sent actually in our defense.

2:10:37 Timothy: So we had to re-request that.

2:10:38 Timothy: So you see, part of the scheme is send me over everything, knowing that Detective McCall is not going to send over everything.

2:10:44 Timothy: That's just how it works.

2:10:45 Timothy: And that's just one scheme among a hundred schemes that went on with this trial.

2:10:49 Timothy: The delaying that you people did, the coming in and twisting of everything that you did.

2:10:54 Timothy: You set out to a scheme to destroy.

2:10:56 Timothy: Your goal was never to go to trial.

2:10:58 Timothy: Your goal was to make these accusations sensational.

2:11:01 Timothy: You let the false accusers' mother and the mover of the hate crime try to destroy Wine Press Publishing, Salt Shaker Bookstore, and the uh Sound Doctrine Church before the trial.

2:11:15 Timothy: That's why you delayed and delayed and delayed when we asked for a speedy trial.

2:11:20 Timothy: They came by this Salt Shaker.

2:11:22 Timothy: They came by Wine Press looking in the window.

2:11:24 Timothy: Their whole goal was to just bring everything down, and we wouldn't have a chance to defend ourselves at all or get the truth out.

2:11:30 Timothy: And you went along with the scheme.

2:11:32 Timothy: In fact, Athena Dean Holtz, do you remember her?

2:11:34 Timothy: I'm sure that you do.

2:11:36 Timothy: You allowed her to continue in the hate crime for the whole time.

2:11:40 Timothy: And then we show up on the day of the trial, the first day of the trial.

2:11:42 Timothy: I mean, like just like moments before it begins, and you go over to the defense and you go, Oh, we're going to drop Miss Dean from our witness list, meaning she couldn't be cross examined.

2:11:53 Timothy: You weren't going to put her on the stand.

2:11:54 Timothy: So you let her and encouraged her and protected her crimes all the way up until.

2:12:00 Timothy: You did that scheme to destroy us, to weaken us, so that we couldn't speak, hoping that we would collapse.

2:12:06 Timothy: And then when that didn't happen, you dropped her from it.

2:12:09 Timothy: She flew on to Texas so we couldn't subpoena her up, and you knew that it's the power of cross-examination where all of this would have been revealed.

2:12:17 Timothy: Oh, yeah.

2:12:17 Timothy: Your schemes were all over the place, and they had absolutely nothing to do with justice.

2:12:22 Timothy: So then when the destruction was done and everything was over with, lo and behold, there was this big miracle that somehow the false accuser's mother was on the register agent for Redemption Press.

2:12:34 Timothy: And so they were able to steal the company.

2:12:36 Timothy: Inside information is, as Athena Dean had lured people into doing what?

2:12:40 Timothy: Turning against everything.

2:12:41 Timothy: Because everybody goes into self-preservation when prosecutors involved and when the law's involved.

2:12:46 Timothy: And so our stuff was being stolen before the collapse, so that when it did collapse, they had all of it there.

2:12:52 Timothy: The paperwork's out there, the truth out there.

2:12:54 Timothy: Have you done anything with it?

2:12:55 Timothy: Nah.

2:12:56 Timothy: And this is only just one example, folks.

2:12:58 Timothy: It's abundantly everywhere.

2:13:01 Timothy: Jacob, I'm sure I've left out a bunch of stuff, but if I've left anything out, nope.

2:13:07 Timothy: Take us out of here.

2:13:09 SPEAKER_12: The following podcast centers around the legal trial of Washington State versus Malcolm Fraser.

2:13:15 SPEAKER_12: Mr.

2:13:15 SPEAKER_12: Fraser was charged with an impossible to commit sexual assault crime by Washington State prosecutors.

2:13:21 SPEAKER_12: The fact is even the manipulated accusers' testimony proves the crime could not have taken place.

2:13:26 SPEAKER_12: The prosecutor and hate crime agitator's goal was never to go to trial, but to destroy a Christian church by the weight of the accusations alone.

2:13:35 SPEAKER_12: A tactic so common that it is in the news today, every day, at every level within the court system.

2:13:41 SPEAKER_12: The following discussion is taken from actual court transcripts, video recordings, and investigations.

2:13:47 SPEAKER_12: Many of those speaking on the podcast personally went through the mud pit, unprofessional, and illegal prosecution using a hate crime as the foundation.

2:13:56 SPEAKER_12: This concise recap is backed up by overwhelming evidence that the City of Enum Claw police, Washington state prosecutors, and judges, for nefarious reasons, corrupted every aspect of the non existent investigation and unconstitutional court proceedings.

2:14:12 SPEAKER_12: Corruption's now so common that all but unreasonable individuals know it is standard operating procedure within the legal system.

2:14:20 SPEAKER_12: In short, the Sound Doctrine Christian Church was a victim of what is now termed lawfare.

2:14:25 SPEAKER_12: The year 2010 saw the compilation of a hate crime against Sound Doctrine Church by City of Enum Claw policeman Grant McCall and his co-conspirators.

2:14:35 SPEAKER_12: Seattle, Washington state prosecutors of King County used an innocent man to attack Timothy Williams of Sound Doctrine Church.

2:14:43 SPEAKER_12: Timothy Williams was not charged with any crime.

2:14:46 SPEAKER_12: Thus, the state of Washington proxy prosecuted Malcolm Fraser to destroy Timothy Williams.

2:14:52 SPEAKER_12: More than ample evidence can be found at www.consider.info.

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2:15:08 SPEAKER_12: The proxy prosecution of Malcolm Fraser by Washington State judges was a perfect storm of persecution by prosecution.

2:15:16 SPEAKER_12: All would do well to prayerfully prepare themselves and their children for what sin-stained dark-souled judges, prosecutors, and police will gladly, happily do.

2:15:26 SPEAKER_12: We on the Consider Podcast pray that God may grant them repentance because it is, as the scriptures declare, a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God.

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Birthdays As Courtroom “Evidence”

2:16:32 Timothy: Yes, you have my attention.

2:16:33 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:34 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:35 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:36 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:37 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:38 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:39 Timothy: Happy, happy, happy birthday.

2:16:41 Jacob: Whose birthday?

2:16:42 Timothy: Your birthday.

2:16:43 Jacob: Oh, this is my birthday.

2:16:44 Timothy: Yeah, your birthday.

2:16:45 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:46 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:47 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:47 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:48 Jacob: How many happy birthdays do I get?

2:16:50 Timothy: I'm not done yet.

2:16:51 Timothy: How are you in your thirties?

2:16:52 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:53 Timothy: Happy birthday.

2:16:55 Timothy: Happy, happy, happy birthday.

2:16:57 Timothy: Does that count as one?

2:16:58 Timothy: Or is that just a really happy, happy birthday?

2:17:00 Timothy: No, that was just one happy birthday.

2:17:02 Timothy: Happy birthday, happy birthday, happy birthday, happy birthday.

2:17:05 Timothy: We need a timer.

2:17:06 Timothy: Bing for I'm trying to obey the law of Washington State.

2:17:13 Timothy: Why don't you kick the intro and I'll say it behind the scenes?

2:17:16 Timothy: I'm really saying it.

2:17:17 Timothy: Happy birthday, everybody.

2:17:18 SPEAKER_11: Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we examine today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

2:17:24 SPEAKER_11: More information can be found at www.consider.info.

2:17:30 SPEAKER_11: Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.

2:17:37 SPEAKER_10: Do you in the Sound Auction Church really celebrate birthdays?

2:17:41 Timothy: How many birthdays did you grow up celebrating, Jacob?

2:17:44 Jacob: Um, I don't think there really was any.

2:17:47 Timothy: What?

2:17:47 Timothy: No, there's none?

2:17:48 Timothy: Like zero.

2:17:49 Jacob: Yeah, there was I never had a birthday cake.

2:17:51 Timothy: Now, most of these were out of state.

2:17:52 Timothy: They were out of Washington State, right?

2:17:54 Timothy: Yes.

2:17:55 Timothy: Kind of safe on this because according to prosecutor Jason Simmons and Judge Laurie K.

2:18:01 Timothy: Smith and the Washington State Prosecutor Gang or Association, I don't know what they call themselves.

2:18:06 Timothy: Mob.

2:18:07 Timothy: No.

2:18:07 Timothy: Mob gang.

2:18:08 Timothy: Well, no, that's what we call them because that's what they are.

2:18:11 Timothy: Um, not celebrating birthday will like are you extremely shy and can't come out of your shell and intimidated by life?

2:18:20 Timothy: No.

2:18:21 Timothy: Do you do you mind being in crowds or are you like, you know, in the corner just shivering and shaking because you didn't celebrate birthdays with cake and presents and ice cream and gifts and other people?

2:18:32 Jacob: No.

2:18:33 Jacob: Are you sure?

2:18:33 Jacob: I'm sure.

2:18:34 Jacob: I've been no, yeah, I haven't been emotionally scarred for life.

2:18:38 Timothy: Really?

2:18:39 Timothy: And you didn't do one single birthday on any level.

2:18:42 Jacob: No birthday cakes.

2:18:43 Timothy: Well, I I'm wishing you happy birthday now because I I'm sure to some degree I was responsible for that particular aspect.

2:18:50 Jacob: So you're trying to make up for it.

2:18:51 Jacob: Oh, because it's a good thing.

2:18:52 Jacob: Well, I want to now, then hopefully you won't be prosecuted in the world.

2:18:55 Jacob: Well, yeah, I'm trying to do that.

2:18:56 Timothy: So, you know, when I'm hauled in for not celebrating birthdays or advocating, you can we'll we'll go back to this recording.

2:19:02 Timothy: Exactly.

2:19:02 Timothy: I can go, happy birthday.

2:19:04 Timothy: I need to finish.

2:19:04 Timothy: Happy birthday, Jacob.

2:19:05 Timothy: Happy, happy, happy, happy birthday.

2:19:07 Timothy: All right.

2:19:08 Timothy: Because prosecutor Jason Simmons and I I'm quoting just now he didn't just say this one time.

2:19:14 Timothy: It was like, you know, he he would repeat these slanders or the meaningless uh lawlessness questions over and over again.

2:19:22 Timothy: But he said, Do you, and I and I I can't do his condescending thing that well, or maybe I do it better, I don't know.

2:19:28 Timothy: Do you in the sound doctrine church really, now he said really, really celebrate birthdays?

2:19:35 Timothy: Not just do you celebrate birthdays, but really celebrate birthdays.

2:19:40 Timothy: I mean you you really gotta crank it.

2:19:42 Timothy: This is highly, highly important to Judge Laurie K.

2:19:45 Timothy: Smith and King County prosecutors.

2:19:47 Timothy: Now, I don't know about you.

2:19:48 Timothy: You you were didn't you videotape the whole trial?

2:19:51 Jacob: Yes, the bulk of it, like 90%.

2:19:53 Timothy: Yeah, well, the other part they wouldn't allow us to do it kind of routine.

2:19:56 Timothy: You gotta protect the slander and the false accuser and all that stuff.

2:19:59 Timothy: But anyway, um, did they ever define what really is?

2:20:04 Timothy: No.

2:20:05 Timothy: So we don't even know what the law is.

2:20:07 Jacob: Is that is really like a big birthday party is like two birthday cakes?

2:20:11 Jacob: That has to be the colour of the code.

2:20:14 Timothy: I didn't even know that it was against the law not to celebrate birthdays.

2:20:17 Timothy: I wasn't even aware of that fact.

2:20:19 Timothy: And all of a sudden we're drug in and somebody's accused of a crime.

2:20:22 Timothy: And of course, the proof Oh, yeah.

2:20:25 Timothy: The important thing here's our evidence, here's our proof that this this crime happened because of birthdays.

2:20:33 Timothy: This individual did not get to celebrate birthdays, or really get to celebrate birthdays.

2:20:40 Timothy: Admittedly, there was some.

2:20:41 Timothy: There was an acknowledgement you were born, there was an acknowledgement we love you, there was an acknowledgement that we praise God and all that good stuff, but we didn't really celebrate it.

2:20:51 Timothy: It wouldn't have been from my heart, it wouldn't have been for my spirit, and you know, it wouldn't have been, ooh, gifts for me, and all of that kind of thing.

2:20:59 Timothy: So we have an undefined law.

2:21:02 Timothy: We also have undefined evidence of crimes related to birthdays or not having birthdays.

2:21:11 Timothy: It'd be nice to know when the rules got changed.

2:21:14 Timothy: I mean, all of a sudden you're brought in before this trial, and all of a sudden the Washington State Constitution isn't valid anymore because why?

2:21:22 Timothy: We didn't celebrate birthdays.

2:21:24 Timothy: Uh played that part where we want to hear, I want to hear this again from Judge Laurie K.

2:21:28 Timothy: Smith and Prosecutor Simmons, that the Washington State Constitution, freedom of religion or any other aspect did not apply in this case.

2:21:36 Timothy: I mean, think about it before we play this for a minute.

2:21:39 Timothy: You you're you're I had no clue that not celebrating birthdays was a crime.

2:21:43 Timothy: I I didn't even know it was psychologically damaging.

2:21:45 Timothy: I mean, when I went through college, I didn't graduate.

2:21:48 Timothy: I I have to admit that part, kind of figured out like, eh, okay, this is not what God wants me to do.

2:21:53 Timothy: But we never had a course on mental illness associated with birthdays.

2:22:00 Timothy: Yes, yeah.

2:22:01 Timothy: Maybe I should go back to college.

2:22:02 Timothy: I could do my thesis on that.

2:22:03 Timothy: Well, it may be in their house.

2:22:05 Timothy: I could get millions of dollars studying how people are damaged because they didn't because a lot of people don't celebrate birthdays.

2:22:13 Timothy: Muslims don't celebrate birthdays, and then there's a lot of variation.

2:22:16 Timothy: So I don't know what really means.

2:22:19 Timothy: Because you can kind of like in some birthdays, they count when you were conceived and they kind of count from there.

2:22:24 Jacob: Oh, sure.

2:22:25 Timothy: I was reading one today where individuals said, Well, we didn't really celebrate birthdays.

2:22:29 Timothy: My mom would always say, you know, hey, it's good to have you around.

2:22:32 Timothy: I'm glad you were born.

2:22:33 Timothy: And he goes, I would throw birthdays for myself, just me.

2:22:36 Timothy: I'd go out to dinner, out to lunch, or whatever.

2:22:38 Timothy: And he was he goes, I was totally happy with that.

2:22:40 Timothy: He goes, I think the American birthdays is all about materialism and stuff anyway.

2:22:44 Timothy: Now, technically he should be arrested because he doesn't really celebrate birthdays.

2:22:50 Jacob: Well, so he's in Washington State, though?

2:22:52 Jacob: I don't know which state owned.

2:22:53 Jacob: I don't know.

2:22:54 Timothy: Don't underestimate these prosecutors.

2:22:57 Timothy: No, it it'll become a world.

2:23:00 Timothy: Don't worry.

2:23:00 Timothy: Yeah, it'll be a worldwide.

2:23:01 Timothy: The Washington State Supreme Court is gonna establish a commission, and that commission will be to hunt down everybody that doesn't celebrate birthdays.

2:23:10 Timothy: And then, of course, every detective within the state of Washington, when a crime is reported, the first thing they're gonna do, because that's an easy one, did you celebrate birthdays?

2:23:18 Timothy: Yeah.

2:23:18 Timothy: And if you didn't celebrate birthdays, there's proof.

2:23:21 Timothy: Just check it off.

2:23:22 Timothy: Oh, the crime definitely took place.

2:23:25 Timothy: Uh, not that Simmons ever brought in an expert to state that let's play the clip before I get too far going.

2:23:31 Timothy: Go ahead.

2:23:32 SPEAKER_10: And then the last issue of whether or not the court should read the Washington State Constitution.

2:23:38 SPEAKER_10: Um, the Washington State Constitution is not a relevantory to this case.

2:23:45 SPEAKER_10: And as for reading uh Article 1, Section 22 of the Constitution, it's non-appropriate, non-appropriate, non-propriate.

2:23:59 Timothy: That's right.

2:24:00 Timothy: You got a church on trial.

2:24:02 Timothy: So the Warchester State Constitution in relationship to freedom of religion is not uh irrelevant to this particular case.

2:24:09 Timothy: I think you're not a not appropriate.

2:24:11 Timothy: Oh, is that what he said?

2:24:12 Timothy: Not appropriate.

2:24:13 Timothy: Not appropriate.

2:24:14 Timothy: In fact, their whole line of reasoning was, and I believe Judge Laurie K.

2:24:18 Timothy: Smith said that it was um, yeah, this case isn't about, you know, the Constitution and the free religion, it's about behavior.

2:24:25 Timothy: So we're gonna look at behavior.

2:24:28 Timothy: So now everybody needs to understand not only do you need to support and have like super birthdays for people to be legal, or really.

2:24:36 Timothy: Really, really.

2:24:37 Timothy: You gotta really, really have that.

2:24:39 Jacob: Yeah, really.

2:24:40 Timothy: But the Constitution of Washington State doesn't translate to action.

2:24:45 Timothy: You can't if I'd have known, what am I trying to say here?

2:24:48 Timothy: If I'd have known that you can't behave in relationship to freedom of religion, then I guess I'd have just known I was breaking the law.

2:24:55 Jacob: Yeah, you would it would have just been like crystal clear.

2:24:58 Jacob: You you were under the impression that, yeah, the constitution, Washington State Constitution actually meant something and actually offered freedom of religion, but apparently it is not.

2:25:07 Timothy: No, isn't not praying a behavior.

2:25:09 Timothy: Yes.

2:25:09 Timothy: Is not studying the Bible a behavior, is not celebrating a birthday, a behavior.

2:25:16 Timothy: Yeah.

2:25:16 Timothy: All those things are behaviors that the Washington State Constitution covered.

2:25:20 Timothy: So Judge Laurie K.

2:25:21 Timothy: Smith and King County prosecutors decided the rule of law and the constitution, not only that, the constitution of the United States, the Bill of Rights, and a few other things just did not apply because we're going to look at behavior.

2:25:32 Timothy: I mean, talk about a torture of words.

2:25:35 Timothy: Um, so it's just a piece of paper, it's meaningless.

2:25:38 Timothy: And that really is the case in Washington State.

2:25:41 Timothy: Freedom of religion in Washington State is an absolute joke.

2:25:44 Timothy: It's not there.

2:25:45 Timothy: No.

2:25:46 Timothy: Uh the only kind of freedom of religion they allow is you got to be lukewarm and you got to bow down to the state and you got to do exactly what they say, clearly to the point of just and we're only talking about birthdays here today.

2:25:59 Timothy: Uh well, let's talk about birthdays then.

2:26:02 Timothy: This is Simmons Bible study time, and you asked about do we really celebrate birthdays?

2:26:08 Timothy: We're gonna have to dive in.

2:26:10 Timothy: And by the way, Prosecutor Simmons, let me explain something to you about this doctrine.

2:26:14 Timothy: Jacob, do I have and I may have, I don't know.

2:26:17 Timothy: Do I have any sermons entitled The Evils of Birthdays?

2:26:21 Timothy: Uh not to my knowledge, no.

2:26:24 Timothy: Then I I don't even think I did a track on the evils of birthdays.

2:26:27 Jacob: No, I don't think you did.

2:26:28 Jacob: No.

2:26:29 Jacob: You know what?

2:26:29 Jacob: It's Christmas tracks.

2:26:30 Jacob: Oh, yeah, Christmas tracks.

2:26:32 Jacob: Easter bunny tracks.

2:26:33 Jacob: Yeah, yeah.

2:26:33 Jacob: I don't remember a single anti-birthday track.

2:26:37 Timothy: You bring up a good point.

2:26:38 Timothy: I was looking at the transcript for the millionth time.

2:26:41 Timothy: Um I don't do it before I go to sleep because then I won't be able to sleep.

2:26:44 Timothy: It's so full of uh what garbage.

2:26:48 Timothy: Unconstitutional garbage.

2:26:49 Timothy: Uh he never mentions the Easter bunny.

2:26:52 Jacob: No.

2:26:52 Jacob: Or or I don't even think Christmas really came up.

2:26:55 Jacob: Uh no, no, Christmas did come up.

2:26:57 Timothy: We're gonna get it, we'll get into that some other time.

2:26:59 Jacob: Okay, yeah.

2:26:59 Jacob: No, Easter never came up.

2:27:01 Jacob: Of course, that's Easter, even though it's been twisted to the Easter bunny.

2:27:04 Jacob: You know, Easter out of out of even above Christmas, right, actually has like some proof, you know, that like Jesus actually died around that time, or I don't know, right?

2:27:13 Jacob: It's got some more basis, I think.

2:27:15 Timothy: Oh, you we always give them more credit.

2:27:17 Timothy: I think he just needs to be punished for not bringing it up.

2:27:20 Jacob: Oh, he needs to be punished.

2:27:21 Jacob: He's not there going, Oh, well, he's slipping.

2:27:23 Timothy: He was slipping.

2:27:24 Timothy: He was slipping, and no doubt he's got a reprimand in there somewhere.

2:27:27 Timothy: You didn't attack the fact that they include the Easter Bunny.

2:27:30 Timothy: Maybe it was on the list.

2:27:31 Jacob: He just didn't get to it, just like you can't get to all his garbage.

2:27:34 Timothy: I should have come out on the stage with an Easter Bunny outfit and the ears and the whole bit.

2:27:38 Timothy: Yeah.

2:27:39 Timothy: Because yeah, I had a track.

2:27:40 Timothy: I'm surprised Detective McCall.

2:27:42 Timothy: Well, he didn't send anything over, but I had a track called Kill the Easter Bunny.

2:27:45 Timothy: So I that wouldn't have been a nice easy target.

2:27:48 Timothy: Yeah, that's true.

2:27:49 Timothy: That would have been a more, yeah, like Yeah.

2:27:51 Timothy: Well, hopefully he got reprimanded for that behavior.

2:27:54 Timothy: Not I can't get the wording done, the behavior to do or not to do kind of routine.

2:27:59 Timothy: Um, so yeah, he didn't bring up Easter Bunny.

2:28:01 Timothy: Oh no, Christmas, he hammered that too.

2:28:03 Timothy: Okay, I should Christmas was like, uh I don't, you know, uh, did he have psychological problems growing up as a kid?

2:28:10 Timothy: Did he some of these people you gotta think, man, you've got some mental issues here.

2:28:15 Timothy: Um, if you think everybody's supposed to have a tree and a Santa Claus, and all this is important.

2:28:20 Timothy: All right, Mr.

2:28:21 Timothy: Simmons.

2:28:22 Timothy: So we're gonna continue our Bible study.

2:28:24 Timothy: So where do you think um birthdays came from, Jacob?

2:28:29 Timothy: Um Well, let me let me kind of rephrase that.

2:28:32 Jacob: Is it like the history of birthdays?

2:28:34 Jacob: No, not the history of birthdays.

2:28:35 Timothy: If I want to go to the source of all sources that explain to me the importance of birthdays and why we should celebrate birthdays and and why we really, really, really should be selfish.

2:28:47 Jacob: It's selfish.

2:28:48 Jacob: Well, that's steeped in selfish.

2:28:50 Timothy: So where should I go?

2:28:51 Timothy: Who's the authority I could go to and go, okay, well, what is a really celebrating birthday?

2:28:56 Timothy: Who's the authority I can go to and go, tell me why it's really, really important?

2:29:01 Jacob: I just know it's not a biblical one because better is the day of death than the day of birth.

2:29:06 Jacob: I think that's the closest.

2:29:07 Timothy: Oh, you're getting too deep now.

2:29:08 Timothy: They won't even be able to attack us on that.

2:29:10 Timothy: They don't get that one.

2:29:13 Jacob: There's nothing biblical to back up birthdays at all.

2:29:15 Jacob: Or like, you know what I mean?

2:29:16 Jacob: Obviously, neither is the Easter bunny, but it, you know, but but you know, Christmas, Christ's birth, well, you know, the tree the tree points.

2:29:23 Jacob: But this one, there there's uh there's nothing in the Bible that birthdays are woven in as like a you know what I mean?

2:29:28 Timothy: Yeah, oh for sure.

2:29:29 Timothy: That we'll we'll look at the one passage.

2:29:31 Timothy: Well, there is a couple birthdays mentioned, and we'll kind of look at one here if we get to it in a little bit.

2:29:35 SPEAKER_03: Okay.

2:29:35 Timothy: No, the the authoritative source, and really it's the religion that King County prosecutors actually participate in, is the Church of Satan.

2:29:44 Timothy: Oh, okay.

2:29:45 Timothy: I went by their website and looked at their tenets and beliefs.

2:29:49 Timothy: Okay.

2:29:49 Timothy: And guess what?

2:29:50 Timothy: They really do celebrate birthdays.

2:29:53 Timothy: Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

2:29:55 Timothy: Um and only that, as a bonus here, and you're talking about Christmas, they also have a comment to make about Christmas.

2:30:03 Timothy: And Prosecutor Simmons should be highly interested.

2:30:05 Timothy: In fact, detectives all across the state of Washington should actually go for this because they admit that somebody's stealing something from actually people stole from the Church of Satan.

2:30:19 Timothy: This is Anton LeVay's website.

2:30:21 Timothy: He's dead now, but he I don't know if they know their Satan worshipper or not, but he was the one that started the Church of Satan in the United States, or at least came public with it, did a lot of interviews, that kind of thing.

2:30:32 Timothy: So we're gonna this is actually from their website, and we're gonna play the clip here in a moment, and this is reading what's on their website.

2:30:37 Timothy: And you can go to uh consider.info, and if you look for post number 11,608, this will give you all the details and the history and what's going on about birthdays.

2:30:48 Timothy: I'm not gonna bore everybody with it today, but it's enough to say that let's play the clip.

Church Of Satan Quote On Birthdays

2:30:55 SPEAKER_00: The following is from the Satanist website.

2:30:58 SPEAKER_00: Holidays.

2:30:59 SPEAKER_00: What holidays do Satanists celebrate?

2:31:02 SPEAKER_00: Since Satanism is a self-centered religion, the highest holiday of the year would be the Satanist's own birthday, which needs no ritual, but should be spent in doing things a Satanist would enjoy.

2:31:15 SPEAKER_00: There is no requirement that a Satanist celebrate any holidays, and there are no hard and fast traditions or rites associated with them.

2:31:24 SPEAKER_00: Since Satanism embraces nature, the other holidays a Satanist might choose to celebrate would be the seasonal turning points marked by the equinoxes and solstices, the dates of which vary from year to year, as well as the midpoints between these, which can be recognized as the climaxes of each season.

2:31:44 SPEAKER_00: In particular, April 30th, called Valpurgish Night, is the spring climax and the anniversary of the founding of the Church of Satan, and is generally noted.

2:31:55 SPEAKER_00: Halloween, October 31st, is the fall climax, and may be celebrated as a time when one's inner self might be explored through the use of a costume, or one might recall those of importance in one's life who have died, as was done on that night in European tradition.

2:32:14 SPEAKER_00: The Church of Satan.

2:32:16 SPEAKER_00: Wait, there's more bonus information.

2:32:19 Timothy: The following is what the Did you catch that?

2:32:23 Timothy: I know there's a lot of like this, that, and the other thing.

2:32:25 Timothy: Satanist always has a lot of fancy words.

2:32:27 Timothy: I guess lawyers do too.

2:32:29 Timothy: Which uh the first line is since Satanism is a self-centered religion, the highest holiday of the year would be the Satanist's own birthday.

2:32:40 Timothy: Yes.

2:32:40 Timothy: That's the main point, right?

2:32:41 Timothy: That's the main point.

2:32:43 Timothy: That's really uh I can see why Prosecutor Simmons and Judge Laurie K.

2:32:47 Timothy: Smith and the whole legal people want us to celebrate birthdays because in reality, who do they actually serve?

2:32:54 Timothy: They don't serve Jesus Christ.

2:32:56 Timothy: That's right.

2:32:56 Timothy: They are more Satanists than they realize.

2:32:59 Timothy: You know, and John chapter 8, verse 42, let's go to that, Jacob, and then we'll play the bonus material here in a moment from the Church of Satan.

2:33:05 Timothy: By the way, I'm not recommending the Church of Satan.

2:33:07 Timothy: More people belong to it than they realize.

2:33:10 Timothy: John 8, 42.

2:33:13 Timothy: Jesus said to them, If God were your father, you would love me.

2:33:16 Timothy: I mean, there isn't anything we're saying here that isn't reasonable, that isn't holy, that righteous will produce love and peace.

2:33:23 Timothy: I mean, think about it, Jacob.

2:33:25 Timothy: Is does Washington State need one more self-centered child?

2:33:28 Timothy: No.

2:33:29 Timothy: Do we need one more self-absorbed politician?

2:33:32 Timothy: No.

2:33:33 Timothy: Do we need another selfish prosecutor or judge or whatever?

2:33:37 Timothy: Of course not.

2:33:38 Timothy: We don't need any of those things.

2:33:40 Timothy: Jesus said to them, If God were your father, you would love me, for I came from God and now I'm here.

2:33:45 Timothy: I have not come on my own, but he sent me.

2:33:48 Timothy: And he's he's mentioning the cross again.

2:33:50 Timothy: We don't want to go there.

2:33:51 Timothy: We will be persecuted and prosecuted.

2:33:53 Timothy: Now Jesus says in John 8 43, now pay attention, Prosecutor Simmons, because why is my language not clear to you?

2:34:00 Timothy: Why is none like when we begged and pleaded for it to be an investigation to look at the hate crime, to look at all the vile, illegal things that were taking place, it's like our language just wasn't clear.

2:34:11 Timothy: It didn't matter.

2:34:12 Timothy: Jesus says the obvious because you aren't able to hear what I say.

2:34:19 Timothy: We did so many different ways of coming to them, discussing with them letter, faxes, discussion, pleading, begging, rebuking, whatever, right?

2:34:27 Timothy: It was ne they can never hear what you're saying.

2:34:29 Timothy: It was like eh it was meaningless.

2:34:32 Timothy: You know, one one reason we knew this was a total setup from the beginning is you remember right the first day, the first second, I don't know if I mentioned this before, the the microseconds, Simmons turns to Judge Laurie K.

2:34:44 Timothy: Smith and he goes, Yeah, I want to talk about the church in the context to so show what kind of environment she was in.

2:34:51 Timothy: Yeah, environment, yep.

2:34:52 Timothy: And Judge Laurie K.

2:34:53 Timothy: Smith immediately, without hesitation, without without any microsecond of, well, explain to you what you what you mean and what are you after?

2:35:01 Timothy: She said, Okay, yeah, sounds good.

2:35:03 Timothy: They had already conspired behind the scenes to bury Sound Doctrine Church, and that's exactly what happened.

2:35:09 Timothy: Because under normal circumstances, and I'm using normal in terms of reasonable, legal, all that kind of stuff, she should have said, Well, spell it out for me.

2:35:17 Timothy: Where's your legal brief?

2:35:19 Timothy: Why is this important?

2:35:20 Timothy: Show it forth.

2:35:21 Timothy: What is it you want to try and do?

2:35:22 Timothy: No, no, number one, that would allow her to make the decision whether to allow it or not, and it also allows the defense to know what do we need to defend ourselves for.

2:35:31 Timothy: But this had nothing to do with anything reasonable.

2:35:33 Timothy: These people acted so illegally, it's amazing.

2:35:36 Timothy: Because you aren't able to hear what I say.

2:35:39 Timothy: John 8 44.

2:35:40 Timothy: And here's why birthdays are so important to Prosecutor Simmons, to Judge Laurie K.

2:35:46 Timothy: Smith, to the state of Washington, and who they represent, and what uh went on behind the scenes.

2:35:52 Timothy: You belong to your father, the devil.

2:35:55 Timothy: The devil is self-centered.

2:35:57 Timothy: The devil lies.

2:35:58 Timothy: This whole trial was nothing but one lie piled upon another lie.

2:36:02 Timothy: And you want to carry out your father's desire.

2:36:06 Timothy: See, it's not enough for liars just to lie.

2:36:09 Timothy: They want to do whatever Satan's prompting them to do.

2:36:12 Timothy: They want to slander, they want to act, they want to destroy, they want to drive out of town.

2:36:16 Timothy: Remember Simmons in depositions going, what are you going to do when you can no longer meet as a church?

2:36:20 Timothy: They knew what they were doing.

2:36:22 Timothy: This was planned out and orchestrated behind the scenes.

2:36:24 Timothy: The Enum Claw police knew what they were doing.

2:36:27 Timothy: That's why the jury seems to be packed by people that lived in Enum Claw.

2:36:32 Timothy: Jesus goes on to say he was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth.

2:36:38 Timothy: If you're not holding to whatever the truth is, you're going to kill other people.

2:36:42 Timothy: For there is no truth in him.

2:36:45 Timothy: That's why Proverbs says that if officials listen to liars, all of them become wicked.

2:36:50 Timothy: And if there's one thing prosecutors do not do is prosecute their liars.

2:36:54 Timothy: They like their liars, they enjoy their liars, they protect their liars, they bring their liars in, they extort people to lie, they go in to get people to turn other people into lie.

2:37:06 Timothy: When he lies, meaning the devil, when he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

2:37:15 Timothy: Kind of spells it out, doesn't it, Jacob?

2:37:18 Timothy: But Jesus says in John 8 45, Yet because I tell you the truth, you do not believe me.

2:37:25 Timothy: If we'd have lied, we'd have come out a lot better.

2:37:27 Timothy: Well, in fact, we probably never would have been persecuted or prosecuted.

2:37:31 Timothy: No wonder, birthdays, that you really should practice those in the state of Washington because their God is not the living, holy, loving God.

2:37:41 Timothy: It is literally Satan.

2:37:42 Timothy: Even if you go to the website, one of the quotes by Anton LeVay is that it's hard to spot people that really are Satanists, meaning there's a lot more of them out there.

2:37:52 Timothy: They don't walk around with you know horns and they don't walk around saying I belong to the Church of Satan.

2:37:56 Timothy: They don't tie to the Church of Satan, but they belong to Satan.

2:37:59 Timothy: And he realizes that.

2:38:01 Timothy: Well, let's go on with the bonus information, because we were talking about Christmas, because one kind of just goes for the other.

2:38:05 Timothy: And and I kind of a quandary here because the Christians stole Christmas from the Satanists.

2:38:14 Timothy: So there's a whole level of prosecution that could take place.

2:38:18 Timothy: If if we were supposed to celebrate Christmas by not doing poor boxes, then all these other churches that are celebrating with trees and Santa Claus and food and materialism and all those things, technically they stole from the Church of Satan.

2:38:33 Timothy: So King County prosecutors can go around arresting all Christian churches that actually do celebrate Christmas according to the Christmas tree Santa Claus tradition.

2:38:42 Timothy: Go ahead and play this.

2:38:43 Timothy: This is from the Church of Satan.

2:38:45 SPEAKER_00: Wait, there's more bonus information.

2:38:49 SPEAKER_00: The following is what the Church of Satan declares concerning Christmas.

2:38:53 SPEAKER_00: What about the Christmas holiday?

2:38:56 SPEAKER_00: The Christians stole this holiday from the pagans.

2:38:59 SPEAKER_00: Santa Claus has come to signify indulgence, as he's a combination of Dionysus and Selenius from Roman and Greek myth.

2:39:07 SPEAKER_00: The Romans celebrated the orgiastic Saturnalia at this time.

2:39:12 SPEAKER_00: The Nazarene has little place in the general public celebrations of this season, which were meant by pagans to be celebrations of abundance during a season of cold and emptiness.

2:39:23 SPEAKER_00: So for the Yule holiday season, we enjoy the richness of life and the company of people whom we cherish, as we will often be the only ones who know where the traditions really came from.

2:39:36 Timothy: There you have it.

2:39:37 Timothy: What do you think, Jacob?

2:39:38 Timothy: Uh yep.

2:39:40 Timothy: Pretty bad.

2:39:42 Timothy: I mean, I I'm shaking my head like, do I need to explain this more?

2:39:46 Timothy: No, I don't know.

2:39:47 Timothy: It's pretty clear.

2:39:48 Timothy: In fact, the Santa Claus as we know it today was a marketing thing out of um I want to say New York City.

2:39:54 Timothy: I don't know that I'd have to go look it up again.

2:39:56 Timothy: And it was a big advertising campaign.

2:39:58 Timothy: And if you all remember the the Coke advertisement with Christmas, it brings back, you know, these warm, fuzzy feelings and spending time with friends and doing all that kind of thing.

2:40:07 Timothy: So the Christmas that is technically celebrated with trees and presents and food and folly and all kinds of stuff comes from pagan origins and it's just been all mixed up.

2:40:19 Timothy: And all Sound Doctor Church did was what?

2:40:21 Timothy: Remove the pagan origins and give to the poor.

2:40:24 Timothy: I mean, I want people to really I don't know if they're believing or not.

2:40:27 Timothy: We really literally were persecuted and prosecuted because we did poor boxes and gave to the poor.

2:40:35 Timothy: I mean, even the manipulated accuser lied about it.

2:40:38 Timothy: There's so many different contradictions in that testimony.

2:40:42 Timothy: At one point she states, uh, yeah, we decided to, you know, have a dinner together, we decided to put the money in these bins, and we decided to give it away.

2:40:51 Timothy: It's all a we thing, right?

2:40:53 Timothy: But that that doesn't fit well with the lying narrative of Prosecutor Simmons.

2:40:57 Timothy: So later on in the testimony, she either picks up on it or has been told about it or whatever.

2:41:02 Timothy: She makes the point, oh, the pastor decided where the money goes.

2:41:06 Timothy: So we go from we, we, we, we, and it's this happy time of fellowship and holiness and singing hymns and doing all kinds of things down to then I decide where the money goes.

2:41:17 Timothy: And just for the record, Prosecutor Simmons and everybody out there, not that you bothered to investigate these things or proving because you like your liars.

2:41:25 Timothy: The way this all worked was that the children and uh adults did it, I did the same thing.

2:41:31 Timothy: We took oatmeal containers or back then milk carton or whatever, and you decorate them.

2:41:36 Timothy: And man, it was a wasn't that a lot it really was a lot of fun, wasn't it, Jacob?

2:41:40 Timothy: Yep.

2:41:40 Timothy: And then when people still carried cash and did things, the kids would find coins in, you know, the couch and then in the car and shake down the adults.

2:41:48 Timothy: It was a fun thing all year long, and it was a big anticipation.

2:41:50 Timothy: At the end of the year, we would take all these coins and put them in a usually it was a giant tub or bucket, and all that money was put in there.

2:41:58 Timothy: Now again, you know, Simmons mocked, we were a small church, so don't think we were talking about thousands of dollars.

2:42:07 Timothy: I don't even think it got over five hundred dollars.

2:42:09 Jacob: Uh I think it was a big deal to hit a thousand.

2:42:11 Jacob: It might hit a thousand.

2:42:12 Timothy: Did it sometimes?

2:42:13 Timothy: Sure.

2:42:14 Timothy: Part of the reason I don't know is because did I not make it clear I did it wasn't going to touch the bucket?

2:42:19 Timothy: I had no say so and where the money went.

2:42:21 Timothy: It went all the monies went to ministries or individuals not associated with Sound Doctrine Church.

2:42:27 Timothy: And I wasn't even in charge of it.

2:42:30 Jacob: Is that correct?

2:42:32 Jacob: Um Well, I th but the church definitely agreed on where the money went.

2:42:37 Jacob: So yeah, you it did not go to like your pocket or to like fix your house or something.

2:42:43 Jacob: It would usually go to like other children overseas or like the church would agree on usually it was a yeah, a different ministry.

2:42:51 Jacob: It would go to somebody else in need besides anybody like in our church.

2:42:57 Jacob: Yeah, it never went to Sound Doctrine Ministry Needs or did anything like that.

2:43:02 Jacob: I think there was one year you did I think it was somebody was helped, I think maybe one year, but no, it it always went to like it was usually children, I thought.

2:43:10 Jacob: Usually it always went to like children overseas, other children, and it was like our kids were helping other kids.

2:43:16 Jacob: That's how I remember it.

2:43:17 Jacob: Well, no, that's and I'm glad you're sharing that back and forth.

2:43:20 Timothy: Uh the part of the reason I don't really have a frame of reference is because I stayed out of it.

2:43:23 Timothy: Yes, you definitely stayed out of it.

2:43:25 Timothy: I definitely did that for a lot of reasons.

2:43:27 Jacob: Somebody else would always go and cash in all the coins in cash.

2:43:32 Jacob: I will also say that you, all the kids, you would make the poor boxes, they would all line up, and you were the one to first put any money in people's poor boxes.

2:43:42 Jacob: So you purposely would open your wallet to put money into the poor boxes just to start off the year.

2:43:48 Timothy: One reason that don't remember that because Prosecutor Simmons, one scripture, we won't have time to look at it today.

2:43:54 Timothy: Jesus says, Don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.

2:43:57 Timothy: Yeah.

2:43:57 Timothy: I've really got to draw all this back up.

2:43:59 Timothy: We were so busy doing good deeds.

2:44:01 Timothy: Correct.

2:44:02 Timothy: It was impossible to keep track of.

2:44:03 Timothy: Sure.

2:44:03 Timothy: Well, did it go?

2:44:04 Timothy: What did we do with it?

2:44:05 Timothy: We're just busy serving and loving other people.

2:44:07 Jacob: But I'm going to give you credit.

2:44:08 Jacob: You were the first ones.

2:44:10 Jacob: The little kids, it was, it was, they would make their poor boxes, and the always the intent was, you know, you you were it was to give to you see, that's the thing, the twisted thing is that yeah, Christmas, what do you do?

2:44:19 Jacob: People nowadays buy the presents for their their own loved ones.

2:44:22 Jacob: So whoop-de-doo that you bought a present for your own child or your own grandchild, right?

2:44:27 Jacob: But ours was the money actually went somewhere else.

2:44:31 Jacob: And so how is this a bad thing?

2:44:34 Timothy: Well, whatever.

2:44:34 Timothy: You're well be if you belong to the church of Satan, I know.

2:44:37 Timothy: But yeah, yeah, I know.

2:44:38 Timothy: You're gonna persecute.

2:44:39 Timothy: Never mind.

2:44:40 Timothy: Jesus said when you throw a dinner banquet, what are you supposed to do?

2:44:43 Jacob: You're supposed to have the well, you're supposed to he was telling not to take the lower seat.

2:44:49 Timothy: Okay, well, that's for sure.

2:44:50 Timothy: That's humility.

2:44:51 Timothy: That's something King County had nothing about.

2:44:53 Timothy: You're not to invite your family.

2:44:55 Timothy: You're not to invite your friends.

2:44:56 Jacob: That's why you're saying you're not supposed to invite people who would like repay you.

2:45:01 Jacob: You're supposed to just invite like other people who would not be able to repay you.

2:45:04 Jacob: Isn't that what he talks about?

2:45:05 Timothy: Yeah, exactly.

2:45:06 Timothy: So now, according to what's written on paper, we have freedom of religion to do that, right?

2:45:11 Timothy: That's supposedly.

2:45:12 Timothy: Well, not according to Judge Laurie K.

2:45:14 Timothy: Smith, because that's a behavior.

2:45:16 Timothy: If I don't invite my family, what's interesting about it?

2:45:19 Timothy: People are going to come visit us anytime.

2:45:21 Timothy: And anytime they want to come give to the poor, I'd have a problem.

2:45:23 Timothy: We didn't necessarily invite them, but we didn't disinvite them, and some we did invite.

2:45:28 Timothy: It's just kind of this whole mixture.

2:45:29 Timothy: But according to Judge Laurie K.

2:45:30 Timothy: Smith, we're not actually allowed to act on or behave on anything Jesus taught.

2:45:36 Jacob: Correct.

2:45:37 Jacob: Yes.

2:45:37 Jacob: Yeah.

2:45:38 Jacob: They're they're suppressing how we choose to how we choose to live.

2:45:44 Jacob: The supposed freedom we're supposed to have.

2:45:46 Jacob: It goes beyond suppression.

2:45:47 Jacob: Yeah.

2:45:48 Jacob: And it's evil.

2:45:49 Timothy: Well, it would be one thing if we were just neutral, like suppressing you can't do it.

2:45:52 Timothy: Like you can't do poor boxes and you you can't do this.

2:45:55 Timothy: But they're saying no, we have to do it their way.

2:45:58 Timothy: Yeah.

2:45:58 Timothy: We have to invite family.

2:46:00 Jacob: Since we didn't do it how other people do it, we're evil.

2:46:03 Timothy: Exactly.

2:46:04 Timothy: We we have to have birthday cakes.

2:46:06 Timothy: We have that was the whole implication.

2:46:07 Timothy: We have to sing happy birthday to one another.

2:46:09 Jacob: And if it's not, it's like child abuse.

2:46:11 Jacob: That's actually what they were getting at.

2:46:12 Jacob: Oh, it was.

2:46:13 Timothy: She turned this into a fan unconstitutional family court.

2:46:16 Jacob: Yeah, yeah, family court.

2:46:17 Jacob: Is that like, oh, we're suppressive and we're evil and you know, we're not loving because we don't do it the their way.

2:46:25 Timothy: That that's the whole danger of the family court, social service, all that stuff.

2:46:29 Timothy: Now all that lawlessness and that thing is fully unconstitutional.

2:46:33 Timothy: It's just moved into the criminal ass.

2:46:35 Timothy: This really was a kind of a stalliness kind of thing.

2:46:38 Timothy: You have to do it this way.

2:46:40 Timothy: These are the seeds of this kind of stuff.

2:46:42 Timothy: That's what all this was about.

2:46:44 Timothy: All right.

2:46:44 Timothy: Well, I want to get along with everybody.

2:46:47 Timothy: You know, that that's one of my major tensions.

2:46:49 Jacob: Is that what that's your time?

2:46:50 Jacob: Is that a oh, is that a a New Year's resolution?

2:46:53 Jacob: Since I can't get along with everyone?

2:46:56 Timothy: Well, since I'm not allowed to actually do freedom of religion and I can only appreciate what Jesus had to say, then I actually have to get along with everybody.

2:47:06 Timothy: Okay.

2:47:07 Timothy: Because the state of origin isn't content with me just sitting in my room with the Bible open and just reading it and not acting on it.

2:47:13 Timothy: I that's not even good enough.

2:47:15 Timothy: I actually have to get out there and wish you happy birthday, invite people, uh, visit family.

2:47:22 Timothy: I mean, forget freedom of association, forget any freedom.

2:47:25 Timothy: You have to do it their way.

2:47:27 Timothy: I I wish again they'd have spelled this all out, then I at least would have known what I'm disobeying.

2:47:32 Timothy: Correct.

2:47:32 Timothy: Well, let's go to 2 Timothy chapter 3, 1, because again, in the spirit of unity and diversity and inclusiveness and bringing people together and, you know, having a Christianity.

2:47:46 Timothy: For one thing, we've all learned our lesson that if you're accused of a crime and these are the evidence they're gonna go for, well, you better have enough evidence that you actually participated in the selfishness that state of Washington wants you to have, right?

2:48:00 Timothy: Yeah.

2:48:00 Timothy: Well, 2 Timothy 3 1 says, but mark this.

2:48:03 Timothy: Okay, so we're we're gonna mark it.

2:48:05 Timothy: Well, no, I take that back.

2:48:07 Timothy: We can't mark it.

2:48:08 Timothy: You can't mark it.

2:48:08 Timothy: You can think about it.

2:48:10 Timothy: I can think about it, I can appreciate it.

2:48:11 Timothy: I wonder, can I appreciate it?

2:48:13 Timothy: That's not a behavior, right?

2:48:14 Timothy: Not out loud.

2:48:15 Timothy: You can't appreciate it out loud.

2:48:16 Timothy: All right, because that's not a behavior.

2:48:18 Timothy: There will be terrible times in the last days.

2:48:23 Timothy: Yeah, I appreciate that.

2:48:24 Timothy: That's kind of true, right?

2:48:26 Timothy: Yes.

2:48:26 Timothy: All right, Prosecutor Simmons read 2 Timothy chapter 3 2.

2:48:30 Timothy: Oh, you're not here.

2:48:31 Timothy: And this would involve evidence, and this would actually look at something.

2:48:35 Timothy: What will be the mark of terrible times?

2:48:37 Timothy: 2 Timothy 3 2.

2:48:39 Timothy: 2 Timothy chapter 3, verse 2.

2:48:41 Timothy: What's it say, Jacob?

2:48:43 Timothy: The first word I've kind of covered it.

2:48:45 Timothy: Go ahead.

2:48:46 Jacob: People will be lovers of themselves.

2:48:49 Timothy: Lovers of themselves, right?

2:48:51 Timothy: Yes.

2:48:51 Timothy: Church of Satan.

2:48:52 Jacob: That's what the church says.

2:48:53 Jacob: That's right.

2:48:54 Timothy: Church of Satan and Satanism is like way out there, right?

2:48:57 Timothy: Yes.

2:48:57 Timothy: Now, Satanism is beyond like uh behavior, right?

2:49:00 Timothy: Aren't they into the behavior thing?

2:49:02 Timothy: Can't they do what they want to do?

2:49:03 Timothy: Apparently they get to do what they want to do.

2:49:04 Timothy: Alright, so their freedom of religion is.

2:49:07 Jacob: Oh, well, yeah, well, they're all upheld.

2:49:09 Timothy: All right, so again, I'm trying to get along with all these Satanists.

2:49:12 Timothy: You know, you know how I am.

2:49:14 Timothy: Very tolerating kind of guy.

2:49:15 Timothy: People will be lovers of themselves.

2:49:18 Timothy: So I had a special song designed for birthdays.

2:49:22 Timothy: And let's go ahead and play and listen to the song because I I think it really works.

2:49:26 Timothy: It fits to a T.

2:49:27 Timothy: It's a rap song.

2:49:28 Timothy: You know, I didn't used to be a fan of rap, but I technically I'm not because it's usually what it says, but it's actually a very useful, used in a good way.

2:49:36 Timothy: It really can communicate in a lot of things.

2:49:39 Timothy: Um the person that did this actually did a good job.

2:49:41 Timothy: And by the way, I didn't tell them why or what.

2:49:44 Timothy: I just said, you know, kind of write this.

2:49:46 Timothy: Here's what I'm after, what birthdays are really about, and here's a name to use, and this is what they came up with.

2:49:53 Timothy: Go for it.

2:49:56 SPEAKER_08: Hello, hello.

2:49:57 SPEAKER_08: I wrote this little song right here for that special someone.

2:50:02 SPEAKER_08: Yep, you already guessed it.

2:50:05 SPEAKER_08: Me.

2:50:06 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons, happy birthday to me, happy birthday to Simmons.

2:50:11 SPEAKER_08: It's all about me.

2:50:12 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

2:50:14 SPEAKER_08: It's about me, about me, about me.

2:50:17 SPEAKER_08: Yo, let me dedicate the songs to my number one fan.

2:50:21 SPEAKER_08: Simmons is the name, and that's who I am.

2:50:24 SPEAKER_08: Yo, it's Simmons today.

2:50:25 SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I'm the king of the sea.

2:50:27 SPEAKER_08: The spotlights on me, man.

2:50:28 SPEAKER_08: I'm living the dream.

2:50:29 SPEAKER_08: No need a light hand.

2:50:32 SPEAKER_08: The party don't be stopped.

2:50:34 SPEAKER_08: Till I'm feeling displayed.

2:50:35 SPEAKER_08: I'm the gift, I'm the dick, I'm the five.

2:50:38 SPEAKER_08: The body spins to me.

2:50:39 SPEAKER_08: Cause I'm the dick of the tribe.

2:50:41 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

2:50:42 SPEAKER_08: I'm the start of the show.

2:50:47 SPEAKER_08: So here's to my sofa the legend of it.

2:50:49 SPEAKER_08: If you're not clapping out, happy birthday to six.

2:50:54 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

2:50:55 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons.

2:50:57 SPEAKER_08: It's a birthday.

2:50:58 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

2:51:00 SPEAKER_08: It's a big pee.

2:51:09 SPEAKER_08: Got the spike, I got the style.

2:51:11 SPEAKER_08: I mean I'm feeling here.

2:51:12 SPEAKER_08: Every time I take a step, they be like this.

2:51:16 SPEAKER_08: I am ready to do with all the stuff.

2:51:24 SPEAKER_08: And confidence is a crime.

2:51:25 SPEAKER_08: I mean up a building.

2:51:27 SPEAKER_08: Everybody needs a crime.

2:51:28 SPEAKER_08: I'm a big parade.

2:51:29 SPEAKER_08: Every move I make is like history getting made.

2:51:32 SPEAKER_08: So crap for Simmons.

2:51:34 SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it's a king on the star, on the DJ, I'm the next big.

2:51:38 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons.

2:51:39 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

2:51:41 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons.

2:51:42 SPEAKER_08: It's on the big pee.

2:51:44 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

2:51:45 SPEAKER_08: It's a big pee.

2:51:50 SPEAKER_08: Simmons.

2:51:55 SPEAKER_08: I'm taking some pieces in the fabric and hyped in my head.

2:51:58 SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna grab your body while the cake is spread.

2:52:01 SPEAKER_08: So follow me on social.

2:52:02 SPEAKER_08: Give me a like.

2:52:04 SPEAKER_08: I like to get the video, but I'm putting up in my body.

2:52:07 SPEAKER_08: Here's my party, and I can do what I'm wanna.

2:52:12 SPEAKER_08: So here's the me, Simmons is the blue.

2:52:15 SPEAKER_08: You came for the party, but you stay for the free.

2:52:18 SPEAKER_08: Self-centered maybe, but I call it self-care.

2:52:21 SPEAKER_08: Simmons forever, forever birthday to Simmons, happy birthday to me.

2:52:26 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons, it's all about me.

2:52:29 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

2:52:31 SPEAKER_08: It's about me, about me, about me.

2:52:35 SPEAKER_08: Go, go, go, go, go, Simmons.

2:52:39 SPEAKER_08: It's my birthday.

2:52:40 SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna party like it's my birthday.

2:52:43 SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna party like it's my birthday.

2:52:46 SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna sip a party like it's my birthday.

2:52:49 SPEAKER_06: Go, Simmons, go, go, go, Simmons, go, go, go, Simmons.

2:52:56 SPEAKER_06: It's my birthday.

2:53:01 Jacob: What do you think, Jake?

2:53:02 Jacob: This is hilarious.

2:53:03 Jacob: Did you write the words?

2:53:04 Jacob: I mean, you would have thought I wrote the words.

2:53:07 Timothy: No, the other guy did.

2:53:09 Timothy: Other guy did, and he was clueless.

2:53:11 Timothy: Now he had a great, it was very catchy.

2:53:14 Timothy: This is a great this give me a great birthday song.

2:53:17 Timothy: It could replace everybody's song.

2:53:19 Timothy: And he worked in the words like I plead the fifth, which is illegal term.

2:53:23 Timothy: I was like staggered at this.

2:53:24 Jacob: He did a great job.

2:53:25 Jacob: That was hilarious.

2:53:27 Jacob: He had some great lines from the birthday thing, you know.

2:53:31 Jacob: If you're into man, this guy, was he into birthdays?

2:53:34 Jacob: No.

2:53:35 Jacob: He just was good.

2:53:36 Timothy: He didn't want to kind of do it at first because he's not getting the concept.

2:53:40 Timothy: Well, he wasn't negative, but he was trying to get the concept.

2:53:43 Timothy: And I, you know, I certainly type back kind of thing, but not the rap.

2:53:46 Timothy: Yeah.

2:53:46 Timothy: And so uh we're communicating.

2:53:49 Timothy: He goes, Yeah, I, you know, in fact, one of the comments he leaves goes, Yeah, this was a quirky one, but literally, God works through all kinds of people.

2:53:58 Timothy: You know, again, we're back to the kind of leadership.

2:54:00 Timothy: Simmons, God works through everybody.

2:54:01 Timothy: It can be a donkey, it can be whatever.

2:54:03 Timothy: So there's there's no exclusive Tim Williams who has all the wisdom, right, Jacob?

2:54:07 Timothy: Yeah.

2:54:08 Timothy: That's a different rap.

2:54:08 Timothy: That's a different rap.

2:54:09 Jacob: That's a different rap.

2:54:10 Jacob: That was pretty funny though.

2:54:11 Jacob: It was.

2:54:12 Timothy: And it was like, man, that's actually catchy.

2:54:14 Jacob: Yes, it is catchy.

2:54:15 Jacob: Uh, but and honestly, true, like, well, not to say that uh worldly songs are you know honest, right?

2:54:21 Jacob: But yeah, I mean that that perfectly represents just me, me, me.

2:54:25 Jacob: There's a bunch of good lines, like pretty much I don't need a party, I'm the DJ, I'm the guy, I don't need b inflated balloons, I don't need any it's just me.

2:54:35 Jacob: It was.

2:54:36 Timothy: I was singing it in my head like uh trying to keep my my laughter under control because it's just so spot on.

2:54:43 Jacob: It is it is spot on.

2:54:45 Timothy: The uh by the way, it in just in case, sometimes the people that distribute this podcast will say we're promoting a song, and they may actually have us remove it.

2:54:54 Timothy: So if that's the case, just go to the website, it's gonna be there for anybody to listen to, and I'd start singing to people's birthdays.

2:55:02 Timothy: I'm afraid what could happen is they're gonna pick up on it as a mocking.

2:55:06 Timothy: You know, people they're still gonna do the birthday, bring in the cake, the and I don't do I assume with the adults it's like alcohol and a few other stronger things, right?

2:55:15 Jacob: Yes, correct.

2:55:15 Jacob: Oh, yeah, that's huge.

2:55:16 Jacob: But there's still cakes and all that.

2:55:18 Jacob: Yeah.

2:55:18 Jacob: Dinners.

2:55:19 Jacob: Well, this would be a great song, at least we'd be in truthful territory.

2:55:23 Jacob: You know how like I guess what like karaoke bars or whatever.

2:55:25 Jacob: See, technically the birthday person would sing this song for themselves.

2:55:29 Jacob: You know what I mean?

2:55:29 Jacob: They would get up on stage and they would sing this song, and there you go.

2:55:33 Timothy: Well, I I'm hoping for like frat broys to get together, right?

2:55:36 Timothy: Okay.

2:55:36 Timothy: And they're singing it to the guy's birthday.

2:55:39 Timothy: Mocking him for his selfishness, that kind of thing.

2:55:41 Timothy: Um there's no royalties on this.

2:55:43 Timothy: If you want to use it, go for it.

2:55:44 Timothy: Go for it.

2:55:45 Timothy: Um but yeah, it it brought a a nice smile.

2:55:48 Jacob: But we're back to say, What if the Church of Satan picks this up?

2:55:51 Jacob: They're like, wow, that's the same thing.

2:55:52 Jacob: Well, they can keep the royalties.

2:55:53 Jacob: I want to really good version.

2:55:55 Jacob: We really like that.

2:55:56 Jacob: That fits in with our Church of Satan doctrine.

2:55:58 Jacob: Well, this should fit in with Judge Well.

2:56:02 Timothy: Yes, it does.

2:56:02 Timothy: I mean, you're the party of the crowd.

2:56:04 Timothy: You're not the see, one of the implications you went through was that she's shy and she's in the corner and she's all timid because she didn't have birthday.

2:56:13 Timothy: So, you know, she can start learning the song, come out, sing it to her kids.

2:56:17 Timothy: Like I said, what Washington State needs more is more selfish children, more selfish politicians, and certainly we need puffed up, self-righteous, self-absorbed prosecutors, right?

2:56:26 Timothy: Because everything turns out really well when that happens.

2:56:30 Timothy: But mark this, 2 Timothy 3, 1, there will be terrible times in the last days.

2:56:34 Timothy: People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money.

2:56:38 Timothy: This sounds like King County.

2:56:39 Timothy: Boastful, proud, abusive.

2:56:41 Timothy: Then we get all kinds of disobedience to their parents.

2:56:44 Timothy: Do you see the state of Washington saying you need to be obedient to your parents?

2:56:47 Timothy: No.

2:56:48 Timothy: No, not even close.

2:56:49 Timothy: Ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.

2:57:01 Timothy: Isn't that what we see?

2:57:03 Timothy: Yes.

2:57:04 Timothy: And it gets worse.

2:57:05 Timothy: Having a form of guiliness claiming to be of God.

2:57:10 Timothy: You know, I can remember at one point, Satisburg, when this trial was all uh kind of wrapped up and everybody done their thing because uh Beth Andrews, who's a judge, was claimed to be a pastor's daughter.

2:57:21 Timothy: Well, the reason I know all this is after the trial, of course, I'm hammering the truth of the situation.

2:57:27 Timothy: And they're thinking that I don't think that they claim to be Christian.

2:57:32 Timothy: And so S Satisberg is confused about he he thinks if Jeff Beth uh Judge Beth Andrews comes out as a Christian, then I'm in a corner.

2:57:42 Timothy: I was somehow proven wrong that they're really Christians.

2:57:45 Timothy: True.

2:57:45 Timothy: And realize, no, they're not really Christians and they need to repent.

2:57:50 Timothy: Did I kind of mess that up or did it come out clear?

2:57:53 Timothy: No, it was clear.

2:57:54 Timothy: All right.

2:57:55 Timothy: Having a form of godliness but denying its power.

2:57:59 Timothy: Have nothing to do with them.

2:58:01 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons, I'm trusting that you're going to share all of these things with Judge Laurie K.

2:58:06 Timothy: Smith because one of the rules we had at South Doctrine Church is that men couldn't share the gospel privately one-on-one with a woman, and the same thing a woman couldn't be privately with a man.

2:58:15 Timothy: I mean, we had every angle secure in the light without being legalistic and a bunch of rules.

2:58:21 Timothy: I mean, the women weren't walking around in covered faces and, you know, super conservative clothes, right?

2:58:27 Timothy: And the men we didn't have separated congregations.

2:58:30 Timothy: The purity came from the heart, and it also was reflected out in the environment of Sound Doctrine.

2:58:35 Timothy: It was one of the safest places to fellowship.

2:58:38 Timothy: And I don't have time to go into that today.

2:58:40 Timothy: It goes on to say in 2 Timothy 3 6, they are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women.

2:58:48 Timothy: It sounds just like the jury pool, doesn't it?

2:58:50 Timothy: Who are loaded down with sins and swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth.

2:59:00 Timothy: Well, we're going to look at birthdays in a little more detail in the next show, but I think we're out of time for today.

2:59:05 Timothy: Jacob, play the rap song again and let's wrap it up.

2:59:08 Timothy: No pun intended.

2:59:11 SPEAKER_08: Hello, hello.

2:59:12 SPEAKER_08: I wrote this little song right here for that special someone.

2:59:18 SPEAKER_08: Yep, you already guessed it.

2:59:21 SPEAKER_08: Me, happy birthday to Simmons, happy birthday to me, happy birthday to Simmons.

2:59:26 SPEAKER_08: It's all about me.

2:59:28 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

2:59:29 SPEAKER_08: It's about me, about me, about me.

2:59:33 SPEAKER_08: Yo, let me dedicate the song to my number one fan.

2:59:36 SPEAKER_08: Simmons is the name, and that's who I am.

2:59:39 SPEAKER_08: Yo, it's Simmons Day, and I'm the king of the sea.

2:59:42 SPEAKER_08: The spotlights on me, man.

2:59:43 SPEAKER_08: I'm living the dream.

2:59:45 SPEAKER_08: No need a light hand though.

2:59:48 SPEAKER_08: The party don't stop till I'm feeling just right.

2:59:50 SPEAKER_08: I'm the gift, I'm the cake, I'm the whole dead mind.

2:59:53 SPEAKER_08: The bird's been for me.

2:59:54 SPEAKER_08: Cause I'm the thief of the tribe.

2:59:56 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me, I'm the star of the show.

2:59:59 SPEAKER_08: Blow my own horn and let my ego grow.

3:00:02 SPEAKER_08: So here's to myself, the legend of myth.

3:00:05 SPEAKER_08: If you're not clapping out, better be the best.

3:00:08 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons.

3:00:09 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

3:00:10 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons.

3:00:12 SPEAKER_08: It's about to be Happy birthday to me.

3:00:15 SPEAKER_08: It's about to be about me.

3:00:25 SPEAKER_08: Got the spike, I got the sky, I mean I'm feeling here.

3:00:28 SPEAKER_08: Every time I take a step, they be like damn it's here.

3:00:30 SPEAKER_08: Nobody's the blue.

3:00:32 SPEAKER_08: I already have to fit with all the self-love.

3:00:35 SPEAKER_08: I'm feeling just great.

3:00:36 SPEAKER_08: Mirror, mirror, something who's fine.

3:00:39 SPEAKER_08: If confidence is a crime, lock me up a new per time.

3:00:42 SPEAKER_08: Everybody needs a crown, I'ma hold the parade.

3:00:45 SPEAKER_08: Every move I make is like history getting made.

3:00:48 SPEAKER_08: So clap for Simmons, yeah.

3:00:51 SPEAKER_08: I'm the DJ, I'm the next big Happy birthday to Simmons, happy birthday to me.

3:00:56 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons, it's all about me.

3:00:59 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

3:01:01 SPEAKER_08: It's about me, about the B, Simmons! I'm taking snoopies in the mirror, getting hyped in my head.

3:01:13 SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna grab your body while the cake is spread.

3:01:16 SPEAKER_08: So follow me in socials, give me up your lights.

3:01:19 SPEAKER_08: I like to get the video, but then put up in my bag.

3:01:22 SPEAKER_08: Here it's my party, and I can do what I wanna.

3:01:25 SPEAKER_08: I'm getting a freema on the show.

3:01:28 SPEAKER_08: So here's the me, Simmons is the blue.

3:01:31 SPEAKER_08: You came for the party, but you stay for the cool.

3:01:33 SPEAKER_08: Self-centered maybe, but I call it self-care.

3:01:36 SPEAKER_08: Simmons forever, forever.

3:01:39 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons, happy birthday to me.

3:01:42 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons, it's all about me, happy birthday to me.

3:01:46 SPEAKER_08: It's about me, about me, about me.

3:01:50 SPEAKER_08: Go, go, go, go, go, Simmons.

3:01:55 SPEAKER_08: It's my birthday.

3:01:56 SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna party like it's my birthday.

3:01:59 SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna party like it's my birthday.

3:02:01 SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna sip a party like it's my birthday.

3:02:05 SPEAKER_06: Go, Simmons, go, go, go, simmons.

3:02:09 SPEAKER_06: Go, go, go, simmons.

3:02:12 SPEAKER_06: It's my birthday.

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3:02:45 Timothy: Let's continue our discussion about birthdays, but I'm kinda out of words because this is astonishingly stupid.

Homeschooling And The “Same Every Day” Claim

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3:03:06 SPEAKER_11: Now, here are your hosts, Timothy and Jacob.

3:03:14 Timothy: How's it going today, Jacob?

3:03:16 Timothy: It's going good.

3:03:18 Timothy: I My breath is taken away because as I contemplate more and more in fresh new ways this trial, this setup, i it it's so astonishingly obvious that this had nothing to do with reason or logic.

3:03:36 Timothy: Certainly we already knew evidence was meaningless.

3:03:40 Timothy: But they really were after Christianity at its core.

3:03:45 Timothy: And it comes out really well in this whole birthday thing that we're looking at.

3:03:49 Timothy: Go ahead and play this chord clip, Jacob.

3:03:54 SPEAKER_10: Her life was the same every day.

3:04:01 SPEAKER_10: She didn't really do anything.

3:04:26 Timothy: Is everybody catching what he is saying?

3:04:30 Timothy: I mean, we're we're way past zombie territory that supposedly she can't remember when the alleged abuse started because we didn't celebrate birthdays.

3:04:45 Jacob: Isn't that what he is saying?

3:04:47 Jacob: Yes, not only that, but she didn't sh he he says she didn't do anything unique.

3:04:55 Jacob: Nothing unique.

3:04:56 Jacob: Nothing unique.

3:04:57 Timothy: Every day every day was the same dull, mindless.

3:05:02 Timothy: Because you can do the same thing every day and it'd still be exciting.

3:05:04 Timothy: You can go in if you were an artist, you go in and you paint.

3:05:07 Timothy: Yeah.

3:05:08 Timothy: But no, she she would literally get up.

3:05:11 Timothy: It's just a Monday gray day.

3:05:14 Timothy: It's kind of like having Alzheimer's at a very young age, and you just don't really know what's going on.

3:05:20 Timothy: It's like the movie Groundhog Day.

3:05:22 Jacob: Remember the movie Groundhog Day where he wakes up every single day?

3:05:26 Jacob: It's exactly the same.

3:05:27 Jacob: That's like what he's saying.

3:05:28 Jacob: Yeah, except you could uh make a movie out of that.

3:05:31 Timothy: This is like nothing unique.

3:05:33 Timothy: Nothing unique.

3:05:34 Timothy: She didn't do anything unique.

3:05:37 Timothy: I'm pausing here because that's crazy.

3:05:40 Timothy: Everybody, you you need to listen carefully.

3:05:42 Timothy: This is King County prosecutors in Seattle, Washington.

3:05:46 Timothy: This is their level of what they consider credible testimony, mature per prosecutions.

3:05:54 Jacob: Yeah, this is their yeah, this is this is how they prosecute cases.

3:05:58 Jacob: So what he wanted to say, he wants to stand there and say they are a wicked, evil cult, and they you know he wants, but he can't say that, so he's attacking because he's trying to he's trying to say that because sound doctrine was a cult, and in cults, I guess you do things ever the same every day, but actually that's not true in the case in a cult.

3:06:22 Jacob: I know that's not even true.

3:06:24 Jacob: Even in a real cult, that's not even true.

3:06:26 Jacob: But but that's what he's trying to say.

3:06:27 Jacob: That's what he, you know, they didn't do Christmas, they didn't do birthdays, they are evil, evil, evil.

3:06:32 Jacob: He's just like McCall, like they're they're wicked and twisted and they're evil, and so I'm gonna do it.

3:06:39 Jacob: Isn't that what he's that's what he wants to say?

3:06:42 Timothy: Because that the whole the whole point is he has to explain why she cannot remember when the abuse allegedly started.

3:06:50 Timothy: Yes.

3:06:51 Timothy: All right, so since there Okay, here's the deal.

3:06:55 Timothy: If every day were the same, I mean, like this gray, dark, purgatory, no interaction, no people, it's all the same.

3:07:05 Timothy: You get up, you have the same oatmeal, you vacuum the floor.

3:07:09 Timothy: Yeah, like prison.

3:07:09 Timothy: Prison's the same.

3:07:11 Timothy: Exactly.

3:07:11 Timothy: But even more so the way he's describing it, it's like she could not remember any events because her brain was so dead.

3:07:19 Timothy: Yeah.

3:07:20 Timothy: All right.

3:07:20 Timothy: That's what he's saying.

3:07:22 Timothy: Okay, let's just let's just take this at his word.

3:07:25 Timothy: Let's go, okay, you you want to go down that line, right?

3:07:28 Timothy: Yeah.

3:07:29 Timothy: So her every day was the same.

3:07:31 Timothy: This this is this gray, blackish, murky, like nothingness, right?

3:07:37 Timothy: Yeah.

3:07:37 Timothy: Then all of a sudden she's abused.

3:07:40 Timothy: That's not gonna stand out in your mind.

3:07:42 Timothy: That would definitely stand out.

3:07:43 Timothy: Is that not a like an event that took place?

3:07:46 Timothy: This would be a life-changing event if it took place.

3:07:49 Timothy: If it took place, she would literally remember that.

3:07:51 Timothy: That would be the one event in her whatever age she was, this this I was abused, and they came in the room and did all this stuff.

3:07:59 Timothy: These it'd be like aliens came.

3:08:01 Timothy: You would remember, you'd get up and finally start looking at the calendar.

3:08:04 Timothy: It would be a huge wake-up call, wouldn't it?

3:08:06 Timothy: Yeah.

3:08:07 Timothy: I mean, if everything were the same.

3:08:09 Jacob: Yes.

3:08:09 Jacob: Well, then you would think that her story would actually then be consistent because the whole problem is like she doesn't remember, and this is why she doesn't remember.

3:08:17 Jacob: But like you're saying, if everything was so dull and gray and this event was so unique, then she should remember the same thing.

3:08:22 Jacob: Oh, she'd have to.

3:08:23 Jacob: She'd have to.

3:08:24 Jacob: But she doesn't she remembers it all wrong.

3:08:26 Jacob: She remembers it all wrong.

3:08:27 Jacob: Well, because it didn't happen.

3:08:28 Timothy: Well, it's the other way around.

3:08:30 Timothy: Because it didn't happen, she doesn't remember.

3:08:32 Timothy: I know, I know.

3:08:33 Timothy: That goes along with his logic.

3:08:35 Timothy: Like, yeah, she doesn't remember anything because nothing happens.

3:08:37 Timothy: Every day's the same.

3:08:38 Timothy: That's right.

3:08:39 Timothy: She was never abused on this day.

3:08:41 Timothy: She was not abused on that day, she was not abused on this day.

3:08:44 Timothy: Nothing changed.

3:08:45 Timothy: Yeah.

3:08:45 Timothy: So it's proof that she's lying.

3:08:48 Timothy: Yeah.

3:08:48 Timothy: Now, we're I'm taking a breath because you've got a jury of fools listening to this going, uh-huh.

3:08:55 Timothy: What do you think you're doing?

3:08:57 Timothy: Watching the Twilight Zone?

3:08:58 Timothy: Go ahead and play that particular little intro for this.

3:09:01 Timothy: Because he's listen, people, behind the scenes, King County prosecutors despise homeschoolers.

3:09:08 Timothy: They despise Christians.

3:09:10 Timothy: And what you're seeing here, you need to pay attention to because they will do it to you.

3:09:14 Timothy: Or what we also discovered is behind the scenes, they are corrupting the whole process.

3:09:19 Timothy: You will not get due process.

3:09:20 Timothy: They will come in on every level to circumvent your right to defend yourself and to get the truth out.

3:09:26 Timothy: We'll get into that hopefully later on.

3:09:28 Timothy: But right now, I want you to understand what he's saying, that her mind was such a blank because we didn't celebrate birthdays and we didn't do all of these things.

3:09:36 Timothy: Well, if that were true, the day that the abuse began allegedly started, that would have been the biggest wake-up call in her life.

3:09:44 Timothy: That would be all she could remember.

3:09:46 Timothy: That would be, I'd remember the time, the season, the sun, what that was going on in the house.

3:09:51 Timothy: Everything would come into focus.

3:09:52 Timothy: Otherwise, you'd have to literally be comatose.

3:09:55 Timothy: Yeah.

3:09:56 Timothy: You'd have to be something wrong.

3:09:57 Timothy: Go ahead and play this next clip.

3:09:59 SPEAKER_15: The scene.

3:10:01 SPEAKER_15: Actor giving believable testimony.

3:10:04 SPEAKER_15: The setting.

3:10:05 SPEAKER_15: Seattle, Washington State.

3:10:09 SPEAKER_15: King County prosecutors.

3:10:11 SPEAKER_15: Opening intro to the Christian zone.

3:10:15 SPEAKER_14: There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man.

3:10:20 SPEAKER_14: It is the dimension that is fast as space.

3:10:23 SPEAKER_14: It is timeless as infinity.

3:10:25 SPEAKER_14: It is the middle ground between light and shadow.

3:10:28 SPEAKER_14: Between superstitions.

3:10:48 SPEAKER_14: Prosecutor and Simmons.

3:10:50 SPEAKER_14: She didn't celebrate her birthday.

3:10:57 SPEAKER_14: Every single day was the same.

3:10:59 SPEAKER_14: She was homeschooled.

3:11:01 SPEAKER_14: Prosecutor Simmons Bible study questions.

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3:11:07 SPEAKER_13: Examining today's wisdom, folly, and madness.

3:11:18 Timothy: And Jacob, you'd made a really, really good point just before we came in that for her every day was not the same.

3:11:25 Timothy: In fact, every other weekend was different.

3:11:28 Timothy: Would you like to share?

3:11:29 Timothy: You know, and there's no way that Prosecutor Simmons, Rich Anderson, I could go down like Judge Laurie Case with all these people knew this.

3:11:36 Timothy: Her life was this this is lie upon lie upon a dark kind of lie.

3:11:41 Timothy: Because why, Jacob?

3:11:43 Timothy: Explain it.

3:11:44 Jacob: Because of all the kids in Sound Doctrine Church, her biological father was not in the church, and he had visitation rights.

3:11:53 Jacob: So I don't know the exact schedule, but I know that it was weekends, and I believe it was like the traditional every other weekend.

3:12:00 Jacob: So she of all people, her her, her mindless gray timeline was mixed up.

3:12:06 Jacob: So let's say she had the mindless timeline.

3:12:09 Timothy: Then every other weekend she gets to go party hardy with the the original father.

3:12:14 Timothy: Correct.

3:12:15 Timothy: And so they were Did they not celebrate birthdays?

3:12:18 Jacob: I'm pretty sure she probably would have gotten a present or something.

3:12:21 Jacob: Well, she got the I'm gonna guess they did, right?

3:12:25 Timothy: No, they did.

3:12:26 Timothy: I guarantee you they did.

3:12:27 Timothy: So her life wasn't mundane.

3:12:29 Timothy: She wasn't this mindless little creature.

3:12:31 Timothy: She could attach it to, well, I'm going to my father to visit his weekend and not this weekend, but the abuse started over here.

3:12:37 Timothy: She had all kinds of frames of reference for dates because her life was in a constant state of turmoil.

3:12:43 Timothy: One week with one parent, one week with another parent.

3:12:46 Timothy: Not to mention, it is a complete and utter lie to suggest that the days of sound doctrine were these joyless, dark, gray.

3:12:59 Timothy: I mean, I think of all the children's songs that my wife, who was alive at the time, the kids would all sing.

3:13:06 Timothy: One of them is this is the day the Lord has made.

3:13:09 Timothy: We will rejoice.

3:13:10 Timothy: Every Mr.

3:13:11 Timothy: Simmons and King County prosecutors, and then all of you unrepentant sinners need to understand that to us in Sound Doctrine Church, every single day is special because it is the day the Lord has made.

3:13:25 Timothy: Go ahead and do a little search for a kid's song that says, We rejoice now because this is the day the Lord has made.

3:13:32 Timothy: It's sung all the time.

3:13:33 Timothy: Every day was special.

3:13:35 Timothy: Besides, you know what?

3:13:36 Timothy: If I'd come in as a supposed cult leader and said, We're not going to celebrate birthdays, all the women would have gone for it because they wouldn't have had to tell how old they are.

3:13:44 Timothy: So this would have been a very popular one to go on.

3:14:10 SPEAKER_16: This is the day.

3:15:01 Jacob: Actually, what you call evidence.

3:15:02 Jacob: Yeah, actual evidence.

3:15:03 Jacob: But you know what I mean?

3:15:04 Jacob: Because it is true that there are cases in America where kids are abused, they're neglected, the you know, every day is the same thing.

3:15:10 Jacob: Well, it is a horrible clause, it's all kind of but it's just sad because it's also like it's it's like insulting to them as well.

3:15:17 Jacob: You're like, he's lying.

3:15:19 Timothy: Well, what's really sad is they'd have plea bargained out.

3:15:22 Timothy: And they would have got lied.

3:15:23 Timothy: I know, yeah.

3:15:24 Timothy: So sentence only people who actually are innocent and who want to go to trial and want to prove their innocence, then they're punished, and then the judge and the prosecutors do everything in their power to be sure that they cannot present a defense.

3:15:35 Timothy: And then, of course, you're broke and busted by the end of it.

3:15:39 Timothy: Prosecutor Simmons, this is a day the Lord has made.

3:15:42 Timothy: We will rejoice and be glad in it.

3:15:45 Timothy: The kids were Jacob, you grew up in the church, right?

3:15:49 Timothy: Yes.

3:15:50 Timothy: When when did you become aware of time?

3:15:52 Timothy: Because according to what he's saying here, Malia got up every day and it was all gray and dark, and so she had no sense of, well, this is Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday.

3:15:59 Timothy: You know, we didn't even celebrate Christmas.

3:16:01 Timothy: We don't we don't do things like that.

3:16:03 Timothy: Um so when did you become aware of the fact that there really was a thing called time and dates and events like fall season and all of that?

3:16:13 Jacob: I think uh any kid, I feel like every kid at some point in their life wants a watch.

3:16:18 Jacob: As soon as you have a watch and you learn to tell time, then you have an awareness of time, and then you know you're answering that in a very deep way.

3:16:30 Timothy: I'm just I'm like going, this is a stupid question.

3:16:32 Timothy: Oh, well, okay.

3:16:33 Timothy: I mean, we were lived we lived downtown inham Claw.

3:16:36 Timothy: Yeah.

3:16:37 Timothy: She had a separate family.

3:16:38 Timothy: Yeah.

3:16:39 Timothy: We were busy in the community.

3:16:40 Timothy: Homeschooling was extremely active, field trips, doing all kinds of activities.

3:16:45 Timothy: Carla ensured that it was an extremely fun time, a learning curve.

3:16:48 Timothy: She was into books and all.

3:16:50 Timothy: By the way, she also wrote books, and she really was the author of all the books.

3:16:53 Timothy: But anyway, the the kids were highly involved on there was a deep interaction called we're gonna get to it next in what do you mean by fellowship?

3:17:01 Timothy: Well, Mr.

3:17:01 Timothy: Simmons, the fellowship really is everything: the joy, the fellowship, the comradeship, the purity, the holiness, nothing you know anything about.

3:17:08 Timothy: But these kinds of to take this to a prosecutor level.

3:17:12 Timothy: Yeah, this is crazy.

3:17:14 Timothy: You're in insanity territory.

3:17:16 Jacob: Like, this is yeah, you're you're such a well, okay, he's an evil prosecutor.

3:17:20 Jacob: But like, really, man, this is a good idea.

3:17:22 Jacob: You're way profound.

3:17:23 Jacob: Like, if if we're talking about like the professionalism of a prosecutor, like this is this is what you come up with?

3:17:28 Jacob: Yeah.

3:17:30 Jacob: It's like insulting to other prosecutors, even though.

3:17:32 Timothy: At best, it's a psychobabble.

3:17:34 Timothy: And if this were true, where's your psychologist that comes in and goes, she's suffering from mental like time displacement?

3:17:40 Timothy: Yeah, yeah.

3:17:40 Timothy: Where's the expert?

3:17:41 Timothy: Where's the expert?

3:17:42 Timothy: See, part of the problem is we don't want you can't defend yourself when you go to court because they just make up reality.

3:17:50 Timothy: They're lying lying.

3:17:51 Timothy: There needs to be a law that's passed that unless they have actually proven a point, they can't bring it up because you're getting into fan he might as well be a fiction writer.

3:18:00 Timothy: Writer.

3:18:00 Timothy: Yeah.

3:18:01 Timothy: Or science fiction, fantasy fiction.

3:18:03 Timothy: Do a Lord of the Rings or the Lord of Stupidity or whatever.

3:18:06 Timothy: But this has nothing to do with reality.

3:18:08 Timothy: And that so that and then they can change the dynamics.

3:18:10 Timothy: Suppose you come in and you answer this.

3:18:12 Timothy: Well, then he can just make up something that's not been proven, it's not related, and you're going, where did that come from?

3:18:18 Timothy: She wore a uh green dress every day.

3:18:20 Timothy: Well, what's that got to do with anything?

3:18:22 Timothy: What's that got to do with anything?

3:18:23 Timothy: But he but see he's allowed to make all this up, correct?

3:18:25 Timothy: And you're not allowed to bring in their family situation or what's going on or anything.

3:18:29 Timothy: You know, he talks about, oh, she was homeschooled, she was homeschooled.

3:18:32 Timothy: When we tried to get the public school records, guess what?

3:18:35 Timothy: We weren't allowed to do that.

3:18:36 Timothy: We couldn't know anything about her, but supposedly he could sling all these lies out here.

3:18:41 Timothy: It reminds me of Proverbs 29:9.

3:18:44 Timothy: It says if a wise man goes to court with a fool, the fool rages and scoffs, and there is no peace.

3:18:51 Timothy: And that's what this whole trial and ordeal was about.

3:18:54 Timothy: It was stupid from day one all the way down.

3:18:57 Timothy: You have Detective Grant McCall planting specific evidence, saying things she never said.

3:19:03 Timothy: It's extremely clear that this was a setup by a lot of people.

3:19:07 Timothy: I'm not going to go into details right now because that would be something we would go into any different.

3:19:15 Timothy: Play the clip one more time.

3:19:17 Timothy: People need to really let this sink in of just how absurd the prosecutor system really is.

3:19:24 Timothy: When you go to jury duty, understand that by the time you're sitting in that jury box, complete idicy has come up through the system.

3:19:33 Timothy: And what you're seeing is a complete facade and a lie on every level.

3:19:37 Timothy: You need to assume that that judge, every time he he or she opens her mouth, it's flat out lying.

3:19:43 Timothy: You can be sure the prosecutor is lying, and you can be sure their witnesses are lying because they reward their witnesses.

3:19:50 Timothy: We're going to get into it later.

3:19:51 Timothy: The amount of people she had surrounding her to help her in these lies is staggering.

3:19:56 Timothy: And there's no way they weren't manipulating her, prompting her, moving her in a direction so that she would say exactly what the narrative should be.

3:20:06 Timothy: Play this again and let it sink into us.

3:20:08 Timothy: I know we're hammering it, but listen to the absurdity.

3:20:11 Timothy: And this is just one aspect.

3:20:14 Timothy: If anybody were to a reasonable person sit down and look at the whole thing, this is this is not out of the norm.

3:20:19 Timothy: This is absurdity number what 200?

3:20:22 Timothy: Yeah.

3:20:22 Timothy: And it just goes down, down.

3:20:24 Timothy: One more time.

3:20:25 Timothy: She was homeschooled.

3:20:26 Timothy: We didn't celebrate birthdays or Christmases.

3:20:29 Timothy: Remember, we gave to the poor.

3:20:31 Timothy: Evil, evil.

3:20:32 Timothy: You don't give to the poor without what?

3:20:34 Timothy: Somehow losing your mind.

3:20:35 Timothy: Anyway, go ahead and play.

3:20:37 Timothy: This is core testimony that we recorded.

3:20:40 SPEAKER_10: Her life was the same every day.

3:20:43 SPEAKER_10: She didn't celebrate Christmas.

3:20:48 SPEAKER_10: She didn't really do anything that was unique.

3:20:51 SPEAKER_10: Her day was the same, day in and day out.

3:20:56 SPEAKER_10: Well, she had a birthday.

3:20:57 SPEAKER_10: She didn't celebrate a birthday.

3:21:00 SPEAKER_09: She didn't celebrate holidays in the Sound Doctrine Church like that.

3:21:04 SPEAKER_09: For her every single day was the same.

3:21:07 SPEAKER_09: There's no reason for her to remember when this started.

3:21:20 Jacob: No, they don't.

3:21:21 Jacob: So are we gonna are should we go, you know, should we go arrest all the Muslims and you're gonna be able to do that?

3:21:26 Jacob: Oh, I think prosecutors are evil.

3:21:29 Jacob: Your parents are evil.

3:21:31 Jacob: Anyways.

3:21:31 Jacob: And they have no There's so many other, even like gro I'm using groups of people that also don't do birthdays.

3:21:39 Jacob: Like or you know, are not into it and all the gifts and cakes.

3:21:42 Jacob: There's actually even plenty of people that don't.

3:21:44 Timothy: And there's a variation on top of all of those.

3:21:45 Timothy: Yeah, there's variations.

3:21:46 Jacob: Oh, and a lot of cultures, other cultures, right?

3:21:49 Jacob: Like you're you're the I think is Japanese, you give the gifts to somebody else or something.

3:21:54 Jacob: Oh, so they're all evil too, all their lives are ruined.

3:21:57 Timothy: And there's split families where some families will the the parent that's not the parent will give the gift and the other parent they're isolated from.

3:22:03 Timothy: There's there's a whole gamma stuff for him to you know, again, I'm shaking my head, I'm lost for words because it's like every time I start to say, well, yeah, it's just stupid.

3:22:12 Timothy: It's just ridiculous.

3:22:12 Timothy: Yeah.

3:22:13 Timothy: And let me here's a fundamental question.

3:22:15 Timothy: Um, and it was a joke that went around the church.

3:22:19 Timothy: Did I assume since we didn't celebrate birthdays, right?

3:22:23 Timothy: Yeah.

3:22:23 Timothy: And we didn't celebrate Christmas and the traditional Santa Claus gate gifts, right?

3:22:28 Timothy: You never, ever got gifts, right?

3:22:32 Timothy: What do you mean never got gifts?

3:22:34 Timothy: Well, if it that's the only time that people give gifts, right?

3:22:37 Timothy: Oh.

3:22:37 Timothy: I mean, because you got Mother's Day, which is almost a federal law, that if you don't give mom a card or a call, you're in deep trouble.

3:22:44 Timothy: Yeah, yeah.

3:22:45 Timothy: Father's Day is not so much.

3:22:46 Timothy: That's a misdemeanor kind of thing if you miss that.

3:22:48 Timothy: In other words, we got this whole cultural thing going on.

3:22:51 Timothy: So the the implication he is having is well, we didn't do birthdays, so therefore there was no special attention, there was no significance of like saying I love you, there was no giving gifts or anything else.

3:23:03 Timothy: So there used to be a joke because you wind up getting more gifts throughout the year.

3:23:07 Timothy: Correct.

3:23:08 Timothy: It was a loving church.

3:23:09 Timothy: It was a gifted all the time.

3:23:12 Jacob: People gave gifts to each other.

3:23:15 Jacob: You know, yeah, or or like a lot of times, um a lot of times Christmas, the the these traditional American times are when people get together and have food and you play games and like you know, la la la la, right?

3:23:30 Jacob: Norman Rockwell type stuff.

3:23:31 Jacob: Yes, in the church, we did that kind of stuff all the time.

3:23:36 Jacob: All the time.

3:23:37 Jacob: We just didn't do it necessarily on Christmas, although, as we already talked about, we actually did pour boxes, there was still food.

3:23:44 Jacob: So we actually did some of the things.

3:23:45 Timothy: Actually, we had more fun than the people doing the stuff.

3:23:47 Timothy: It's around the tree.

3:23:48 Timothy: So the wording forces us into a corner to be defensive.

3:23:51 Jacob: It's the other way around.

3:23:52 Jacob: It's the other way around.

3:23:53 Jacob: Ours was the joy.

3:23:54 Jacob: We had tons of get-togethers, tons of picnics in the summer, right?

3:24:00 Jacob: People were always invited, family invited, people could have come.

3:24:02 Jacob: That was I mean, you could go on and on about all of the get-togethers we would have lakes and rivers, and we'd go places, and you went to the zoo, and you went to the Seattle Pacific Science Center, and like you could go on and on and on with all the activities.

3:24:18 Jacob: Did you go to the air museum and the all the same stuff that all the whiny little kids in public school go do on their field trips at Sound Doctrine Church, all of the homeschoolers did that too.

3:24:28 Jacob: You went and you went on field trips and you did all that stuff.

3:24:31 Jacob: The same, it's the same stuff.

3:24:32 Jacob: It was just at home and not in a horrible public school system.

3:24:36 Timothy: And because we were all alive, it happened so much.

3:24:39 Timothy: I mean, I kind of hate to confess this, but so many events went on, and they were so busy doing fun stuff, and it had its serious overtone.

3:24:48 Timothy: Don't get me get me wrong.

3:24:49 Timothy: Life is a serious matter.

3:24:51 Timothy: Life is serious.

3:24:51 Timothy: Being a Christian is serious.

3:24:52 Timothy: Exactly.

3:24:53 Timothy: You might be prosecuted, you might be persecuted.

3:24:55 Timothy: So there's an element of soberness in all of these things.

3:24:59 Timothy: Correct.

3:24:59 Timothy: And that's part of what the false accusers kept focusing in.

3:25:02 Timothy: It was all the sober part, so they never came in on the joyful part.

3:25:06 Timothy: But anyway, I was always invited to go to all these things.

3:25:09 Timothy: And I was usually, no, I can't go, or I don't want to go, whatever.

3:25:13 Timothy: Because it was just constant and all the time.

3:25:15 Timothy: But it it wasn't that we were down, I was down on them.

3:25:18 Timothy: It's just I literally didn't have the time.

3:25:20 Timothy: It's a little difficult, uh, Mr.

3:25:22 Timothy: Simmons, to keep a church clean and holy and protected from evil outside sources that lie against you, as you well have participated.

3:25:30 Jacob: Yeah, you and you wonder why we didn't want to stick kids in the public school system.

3:25:35 Jacob: Oh, absolutely.

3:25:37 Jacob: You know what I mean?

3:25:37 Timothy: He's part of the problem.

3:25:39 Timothy: In fact, I bet if we could get into those records and the environment that she was in public school, this is where she learned a false accuse.

3:25:46 Timothy: This is this is where it all became extremely exaggerated.

3:25:50 Timothy: The hatred for Christianity.

3:25:51 Timothy: Correct.

3:25:51 Timothy: That's where she that's why they fought so hard to keep us getting into those records.

3:25:55 Timothy: And we never did get those records, by the way.

3:25:57 Timothy: Um, because you know, well, you can't even really question the false accuser.

3:26:01 Timothy: The only time you really get to is when they're on the stand, and by then they've been mightily and let me Amazon.

3:26:07 Timothy: Influenced, coached, influenced.

3:26:09 Timothy: They're the ones that's why they think that's what we're doing.

3:26:12 Timothy: You know, Mr.

3:26:12 Timothy: Simmons, here's a point that that I'm probably a little early on, but you thought behind the scenes I was having like daily meetings telling everybody, well, here's what we say and here's what we do.

3:26:24 Timothy: I none of that went on, like zero.

3:26:26 Timothy: All I ever say was tell the truth.

3:26:29 Timothy: And I was too busy defending the church and too busy fighting off your lying attacks and the hate crime that was going on to have any type of meeting to say we need to do this or do that.

3:26:39 Timothy: And I didn't want to do that because I wanted everybody to learn, and the Lord had made it clear, they needed to stand on their own.

3:26:46 Timothy: That was their moment to really stand up and declare the truth.

3:26:50 Timothy: So don't judge me by your heart and what you prosecutors do, and we have the proof for it.

3:26:55 Timothy: Don't even go there and try and go, oh no, we're all independent.

3:26:59 Timothy: You are anything but professional on every level.

3:27:01 Timothy: Judge Laurie K.

3:27:02 Timothy: Smith, you flat out lie and you harbor liars, all to win your woman of the year award.

3:27:09 Timothy: You need to repent on every level.

3:27:14 Timothy: Let's go on and talk about another birthday.

3:27:16 Timothy: Let's talk about John the Baptist's birthday.

Mark 6 Birthday And John Beheaded

3:27:19 Timothy: And you'll like this one, Mr.

3:27:20 Timothy: Simmons.

3:27:21 Timothy: This has to do with authorities and places and doing harm to godly men and women.

3:27:27 Timothy: Go ahead and play the clip here, and then we'll come in and discuss this.

3:27:32 SPEAKER_00: Mark 6, 17 through 29.

3:27:36 SPEAKER_00: For Herod himself had given orders to have John arrested, and he had him bound and put in prison.

3:27:42 SPEAKER_00: He did this because of Herodias, his brother Philip's wife, whom he had married.

3:27:48 SPEAKER_00: For John had been saying to Herod, It is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife.

3:27:54 SPEAKER_00: So Herodias nursed a grudge against John and wanted to kill him.

3:27:59 SPEAKER_00: But she was not able to do so because Herod feared John and protected him, knowing him to be a righteous and holy man.

3:28:07 SPEAKER_00: When Herod heard John, he was greatly puzzled, yet he liked to listen to him.

3:28:13 SPEAKER_00: Finally, the opportune time came.

3:28:16 SPEAKER_00: On his birthday, Herod gave a banquet for his high officials and military commanders and the leading men of Galilee.

3:28:24 SPEAKER_00: When the daughter of Herodias came in and danced, she pleased Herod and his dinner guest.

3:28:30 SPEAKER_00: The king said to the girl, Ask me for anything you want, and I'll give it to you.

3:28:36 SPEAKER_00: And he promised her with an oath, Whatever you ask, I will give you, up to half my kingdom.

3:28:42 SPEAKER_00: She went out and said to her mother, What should I ask for?

3:28:48 SPEAKER_00: The head of John the Baptist, she answered.

3:28:51 SPEAKER_00: At once the girl hurried into the king with a request.

3:28:55 SPEAKER_00: I want you to give me right now the head of John the Baptist on a platter.

3:29:01 SPEAKER_00: The king was greatly distressed, but because of his oaths and his dinner guests, he did not want to refuse her.

3:29:09 SPEAKER_00: So he immediately sent an executioner with orders to bring John's head.

3:29:14 SPEAKER_00: The man went and beheaded John in the prison and brought back his head on a platter.

3:29:19 SPEAKER_00: He presented it to the girl, and she gave it to her mother.

3:29:24 SPEAKER_00: On hearing of this, John's disciples came and took his body and laid it in a tomb.

3:29:31 Timothy: Happy birthday.

3:29:34 Timothy: Happy birthday, Mr.

3:29:35 Timothy: Simmons.

3:29:36 Timothy: This is what you did.

3:29:39 Timothy: Did you come in because we preached the gospel of truth to people, the need to repent?

3:29:46 Timothy: And we preached very specifically by the love and grace of God.

3:29:51 Timothy: You decided that that shouldn't be heard anymore.

3:29:54 Timothy: And so this whole thing was concocted and arranged.

3:29:58 Timothy: It's abundantly clear this was a setup by Detective Grant McCall and his co-conspirators.

3:30:04 Timothy: You wanted to hear what you wanted to hear.

3:30:07 Timothy: And it's no wonder you emphasize birthdays as the central point.

3:30:11 Timothy: As we saw in the previous podcast, Satan's High Holy Day, and that's kind of a contradiction in terms, but High Unholy Day is birthdays.

3:30:24 Timothy: Now you'll notice it says in Mark chapter 6, verse 25, actually, let's see, blah, blah, blah.

3:30:31 Timothy: Let's go up to go ahead and read 23, 24, and 25, Jacob.

3:30:37 Jacob: The king said to the girl, Ask me for anything you want, and I'll give it to you.

3:30:43 Jacob: And he promised her with an oath, whatever you ask, I will give you up to half my kingdom.

3:30:49 Jacob: She went out and said to her mother, Whoa, hang on.

3:30:52 Timothy: What what was her first reaction?

3:30:53 Timothy: I mean, she did this at fine dance, she's being praised, all this attention, you know, all the drinking drugs and all that going on, you know, and she he's going, Oh man, you're clearly tipsy, huh?

3:31:05 Timothy: Clearly tipsy.

3:31:07 Timothy: Yeah, exactly.

3:31:09 Timothy: So what's her first reaction?

3:31:10 Timothy: Like he she he turns to her and says, I will give you anything up to half of my kingdom.

3:31:18 Timothy: Does she ask for like a new dress or a new iPod or you know, I don't know, car, whatever the whatever in a chariot, a new chariot with horses.

3:31:28 Timothy: Now I want you to pay attention.

3:31:29 Timothy: I'm gonna let Jacob answer this question because first I want to read from King County prosecutor Jason Simmons' court testimony lines 12, 13, and 14.

3:31:41 Timothy: And he says, quote, and this idea that she, meaning the false accuser, has concocted this to somehow gain the favor of her mother is simply unsupported.

3:31:54 Timothy: It is mere conjecture.

3:31:57 Timothy: That's right, Mr.

3:31:58 Timothy: Simmons.

3:31:59 Timothy: No daughter has ever, in the purpose of crime, wanted to please somebody else, correct?

3:32:05 Timothy: I mean, that's just ne that's just conjecture.

3:32:08 Timothy: Now, birthdays different story, but this is just made up.

3:32:11 Timothy: You know, it's just conjecture.

3:32:12 Timothy: Conjecture.

3:32:13 Timothy: Never mind, just for the record, I did instruct that particular side of the family that they were terrible parents.

3:32:21 Timothy: And they were terrible parents.

3:32:22 Timothy: They weren't giving her the attention and the love that was in Jesus Christ.

3:32:27 Timothy: They were complete failures.

3:32:28 Timothy: And at one point, I did say she would be better off with her real biological father than with them because they were so stubborn and would not repent.

3:32:36 Timothy: But of course, we couldn't bring any of that up and we couldn't show how dysfunctional it is and how the mother didn't get along with anybody.

3:32:44 Timothy: In fact, she gets in fight with everybody.

3:32:46 Timothy: Go look at all the records, Mr.

3:32:48 Timothy: Simmons.

3:32:49 Timothy: It's there.

3:32:49 Timothy: So what did she do?

3:32:51 Timothy: What was it that she went?

3:32:52 Timothy: I I know I'm repeating it, and I want to quote Simmons first and set it up again.

3:32:56 Timothy: And this idea, Mr.

3:32:58 Timothy: Simmons says, that she concocted this is somehow to gain the fave her mother is simply unsupported.

3:33:05 Timothy: You know, for a guy that does psychobabble, he sure is naive about psychology.

3:33:10 Timothy: Correct.

3:33:10 Timothy: It is mere conjecture.

3:33:13 Timothy: All right.

3:33:14 Jacob: So, Jacob, what did she go do?

3:33:16 Jacob: In Mark chapter 6, verse 24, she went out and asked.

3:33:22 Jacob: Or no, she went out and said to her mother, what shall I ask for?

3:33:26 Timothy: Oh, look, man, look at how they're one and heart in this whole thing, you know.

3:33:30 Timothy: Bang, just going, Well, hey, what should I ask for?

3:33:32 Timothy: You know, it's hard to believe the the daughter didn't quite know, but but that that's a whole sermon territory.

3:33:38 Timothy: What shall I ask for?

3:33:39 Timothy: And this is all immediate.

3:33:41 Timothy: This is fast.

3:33:41 Timothy: You're nursing a grudge, you've got bitterness, you got sounds like the home life that I rebuked, Mr.

3:33:46 Timothy: Simmons, and why we wound up in this position, Mr.

3:33:50 Timothy: Simmons, and why you fell for their lies and their traps.

3:33:54 Timothy: What shall I ask for?

3:33:55 Timothy: Immediately the mother says, the head of John the Baptist, she answered.

3:34:00 Timothy: And then look at what the girl is.

3:34:01 Timothy: Is she she wants to please her mother, right?

3:34:03 Timothy: Yes.

3:34:04 Timothy: Isn't that clear?

3:34:05 Timothy: But this is unprecedented.

3:34:06 Timothy: This is conjecture.

3:34:07 Timothy: This is never in the history of mankind.

3:34:09 Timothy: Yeah, daughters have never wanted to please their mothers.

3:34:11 Timothy: Correct.

3:34:12 Timothy: Never.

3:34:12 Timothy: Never.

3:34:13 Timothy: Never.

3:34:14 Timothy: And of course, the New Testament doesn't mean anything because the word of God doesn't mean anything, but it does to us.

3:34:18 Timothy: Mark chapter 6, verse 25.

3:34:20 Timothy: At once.

3:34:21 Timothy: It doesn't say, and the girl, you know, went out and ran.

3:34:24 Jacob: She mulled over it.

3:34:26 Jacob: She wanted to, you know, but mom, I really want that new race car.

3:34:29 Jacob: And she didn't go, hmm, I don't know.

3:34:31 Timothy: Asking for murder.

3:34:32 Timothy: Oh, there was no hesitation.

3:34:33 Timothy: Oh, yeah.

3:34:34 Timothy: Asking for murder, huh?

3:34:35 Timothy: You know, and chopping the head off.

3:34:38 Timothy: Ooh, that's bloody and gross.

3:34:40 Timothy: Under sensitive girls, right?

3:34:42 Timothy: If you said, I'm going to go cut off the head of the cat, ooh, right?

3:34:45 Jacob: I mean, you do it for emphasis.

3:34:47 Jacob: Yeah.

3:34:47 Jacob: Go ahead.

3:34:48 Jacob: What were you going to say?

3:34:49 Jacob: Well, I'm jumping ahead in this verse, but see, according to how the scripture reads, she took it one step further because she wants it on a platter.

3:34:56 Timothy: Good point.

3:34:57 Timothy: Good point.

3:34:58 Timothy: The mother didn't see it.

3:35:00 Jacob: Technically, the daughter escalated like mother like daughter.

3:35:02 Jacob: The daughter escalated it.

3:35:05 Timothy: Good point.

3:35:05 Timothy: Like mother, like daughter, or like daughter, like mother.

3:35:08 Timothy: I don't know how the saying is.

3:35:09 Timothy: Isn't that a common saying?

3:35:10 Timothy: Super common saying.

3:35:11 Timothy: And Mr.

3:35:12 Timothy: Simmons, that's a common saying is not just conjecture, it's an observation about how life works.

3:35:18 Timothy: But you found it credible to be something totally the opposite of what life in society is about.

3:35:25 Timothy: Good point, Jacob.

3:35:26 Timothy: At once the girl hurried.

3:35:28 Timothy: We're not picking up on like, okay, mom, I'll go clean my room, you know, or I got to do push-ups or I got to clean the kitchen.

3:35:36 Timothy: At once the girl hurried in.

3:35:38 Timothy: If you you're delusional to think that all the hatred that was in that home and all the constant lying, before they ever left, before they ever left.

3:35:46 Timothy: The reason they left was they got tired of being rebuked for not being loving.

3:35:50 Timothy: That's why they left, Mr.

3:35:52 Timothy: Simmons.

3:35:53 Timothy: And so she realizes that's what it means to be a part of the family.

3:35:58 Timothy: Correct?

3:35:59 Timothy: Correct.

3:36:00 Timothy: And then of course you have a divided family situation, thanking the state of Washington.

3:36:04 Timothy: At once, the girl hurried into the king with the request.

3:36:07 Timothy: I want you to give me right now.

3:36:10 Timothy: You know, she make a good lawyer.

3:36:11 Timothy: Yeah.

3:36:12 Timothy: There's nothing vague about this.

3:36:14 Timothy: Like, I don't know.

3:36:14 Timothy: I might have Mirandered in and go, uh, yeah, I'd like the head of John the Baptist.

3:36:19 Timothy: I, you know, okay, well, about 10 years I'll give it to you.

3:36:22 Timothy: I mean, there's no weasel here.

3:36:24 Timothy: Yeah.

3:36:24 Timothy: This is a tight contract.

3:36:26 Timothy: At once the girl hurried into the king with the request, I want you to give me right now the head of John the Baptist on a platter.

3:36:36 Timothy: Very good point.

3:36:38 Timothy: Oh, of course, the king was greatly distressed, but because of his what?

3:36:42 Timothy: Oaths.

3:36:43 Timothy: Let's just translate for what it is, pride, and his dinner guests, he did not want to refuse her.

3:36:48 Timothy: Think about it.

3:36:49 Timothy: If men in authority are willing to commit murder, to chop the head off of somebody that they consider to know to be a prophet and a godly man, for the sake of promotion, for the sake of their position, how much more King County prosecutors are willing to go with a lie in order to roll with it?

3:37:06 Timothy: Correct.

3:37:08 Timothy: All right, so he immediately sent an executioner with orders to bring John's head, and the men went, beheaded John in prison, and brought back his head on a platter, and he presented it to the girl and she gave it to her mother.

3:37:21 Timothy: Now, get the scene of this.

3:37:23 Timothy: This girl is not going, ooh.

3:37:27 Timothy: Now I understand, Mr.

3:37:28 Timothy: Simmons.

3:37:29 Timothy: All women and all girls are innocent.

3:37:32 Timothy: They they never elicit anything.

3:37:34 Timothy: When you hear of everybody being arrested, it's always the men because the girls just never do anything.

3:37:40 Timothy: Right, contrary to human nature and this nature of sin.

3:37:45 Timothy: So she brings back the head, and eventually everybody more than they go out and take the body.

3:37:51 Timothy: Any comments on that, any of that, Jacob?

3:37:53 Timothy: No.

More Blessed To Give

3:37:54 Timothy: Let's go to Acts chapter 20, verse 35, and let's end with that.

3:37:58 Timothy: And then I think Mr.

3:37:59 Timothy: Simmons will play your birthday song on the way out.

3:38:02 Timothy: But Acts chapter 20, verse 35.

3:38:05 Timothy: This was Sound Doctrine Church, whether you like it or not, this is what it was.

3:38:10 Timothy: And everything I did, and I include myself in this eye right now.

3:38:14 Timothy: This is Paul saying this.

3:38:16 Timothy: I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak.

3:38:21 Timothy: Sound Sound Doctrine Church did a lot of projects, didn't they, Jacob?

3:38:25 Timothy: Yes.

3:38:25 Timothy: And they were all hard work, were they not?

3:38:28 Timothy: Yes.

3:38:28 Timothy: There was a lot of deep joy, but there was also a within that joy, it came from the hard work that was involved.

3:38:36 Timothy: Some people would leave because they just didn't like the hard work.

3:38:39 Timothy: Life is full of hard work.

3:38:42 Timothy: How we help other people.

3:38:43 Timothy: I mean, we were downtown Enum Claw.

3:38:46 Timothy: We were serving the community.

3:38:47 Timothy: We're involved in fairs, we're in people's lives.

3:38:50 Timothy: Whether they wanted us involved in their lives, a different story.

3:38:53 Timothy: But we were there.

3:38:54 Timothy: This is not some, we're not some isolated group in the jungles of South America or even in the countryside of Washington State.

3:39:00 Timothy: We're right downtown in the middle of everybody.

3:39:02 Timothy: Everybody's living right there, associating with people and their neighbors and everybody else.

3:39:07 Timothy: I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak.

3:39:12 Timothy: Remembering the words of the Lord Jesus Himself said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

3:39:20 Timothy: You see, King County prosecutors, there's a m a joy you know nothing about.

3:39:25 Timothy: It is a joy not to have a birthday.

3:39:29 Timothy: An absolute joy.

3:39:32 Timothy: I how can I reword that?

3:39:34 Timothy: Like, Jacob, if a bunch of people came in and said happy birthday and gave me a bunch of gifts for my birthday, what would be my reaction?

3:39:43 Timothy: Where would my joy come from?

3:39:44 Timothy: What would I eventually wind up doing?

3:39:48 Timothy: I wind up giving all that stuff away.

3:39:50 Timothy: Correct.

3:39:51 Timothy: It is more blessed.

3:39:52 Jacob: At first it would be like, ooh, gross.

3:39:54 Timothy: Well, yeah.

3:39:55 Timothy: I I might out of love just not say anything.

3:39:57 Timothy: I'm not gonna go correct.

3:39:58 Timothy: Bully me, Simmons.

3:39:59 Timothy: I didn't jump into A fire and brimstone sermon on the evils of art.

3:40:04 Timothy: The cake comes from demons, and the candles are the burning fires of hell.

3:40:08 Timothy: I don't even know if I can pull it off.

3:40:10 Timothy: You know, and the sweetness and stuff that'll lure you down the path of fatness.

3:40:14 Timothy: And we all know that.

3:40:15 Timothy: It's more blessed to give than to receive.

3:40:18 Timothy: There's a deeper joy than all of your give me this gift and give me this prize, and I'm woman of the year, and I'm man of the year, and I'm prosecutor of the moment.

3:40:27 Timothy: And it comes with humility, though.

3:40:29 Timothy: It comes with brokenness.

3:40:31 Timothy: It comes with a sense of sin.

3:40:32 Timothy: It comes with a sense of forgiveness.

3:40:35 Timothy: All the good qualities of both suffering and joy in Jesus Christ, it comes together.

3:40:40 Timothy: And this is why in Acts 20, verse 36, when he said this, he knelt down with all of them and prayed.

3:40:47 Timothy: All of these hard works, all of these things that we have talked about came about out of humility of bent knees and praying.

3:40:58 Timothy: The other complete lie is that everything came back to me.

3:41:01 Timothy: Everything went to Jesus Christ.

3:41:04 Timothy: It is you who celebrate birthdays.

3:41:07 Timothy: It is you who thinks that because somebody doesn't celebrate a selfish birthday, that somehow they're mindless, they're gray, they're retarded, they're just in this void, and they don't really know what's going on.

3:41:20 Timothy: They can even be abused, and it doesn't even check a box.

3:41:24 Timothy: Because they're so minus.

3:41:25 Timothy: All because why?

3:41:27 Timothy: They're homeschooled and they don't celebrate birthdays.

3:41:31 Timothy: So let's play your hymn, Mr.

3:41:33 Timothy: Simmons.

3:41:33 Timothy: Here you go.

3:41:36 SPEAKER_08: Hello, hello.

3:41:38 SPEAKER_08: I brought this little song right here for that special someone.

3:41:43 SPEAKER_08: Yep, you already guessed it.

3:41:46 SPEAKER_08: Me.

3:41:47 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons, happy birthday to me.

3:41:50 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons.

3:41:52 SPEAKER_08: It's all about me.

3:41:53 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

3:41:55 SPEAKER_08: It's about me, about me, about me.

3:41:58 SPEAKER_08: Yo, let me dedicate the song to my number one fan.

3:42:02 SPEAKER_08: Simmons is the name, and that's who I am.

3:42:04 SPEAKER_08: Yo, it's Simmons Day, and I'm the king of the scene.

3:42:07 SPEAKER_08: The spotlights on me, man.

3:42:09 SPEAKER_08: I'm living the dream.

3:42:10 SPEAKER_08: No need to light candles already shine bright.

3:42:13 SPEAKER_08: The party don't stop till I'm feeling just right.

3:42:16 SPEAKER_08: I'm the gift, I'm the cake, I'm the whole damn vibe.

3:42:19 SPEAKER_08: The world spins for me, cause I'm the chief of the tribe.

3:42:22 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me, I'm the star of the show.

3:42:25 SPEAKER_08: Blow my own horn and let my ego grow.

3:42:27 SPEAKER_08: So here's to myself, the legend, the myth.

3:42:30 SPEAKER_08: If you're not clapping out, better plead the fifth.

3:42:33 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons, happy birthday to me.

3:42:36 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons, it's all about me.

3:42:39 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

3:42:40 SPEAKER_08: It's about me, about me, about me.

3:42:44 SPEAKER_08: Yo, it's Simmons the GOAT, dude, it's written in stone.

3:42:47 SPEAKER_08: The self-love anthem, yeah, I wrote it alone.

3:42:50 SPEAKER_08: Got the swag, I got the style, I mean I'm from the top here.

3:42:53 SPEAKER_08: Every time I take a step, they be like, damn, he's here.

3:42:56 SPEAKER_08: No, but lose the blow up.

3:42:57 SPEAKER_08: I already inflate.

3:42:59 SPEAKER_08: With all the self-love, I'm feelin' just great.

3:43:02 SPEAKER_08: Mirror, mirror, tell me who's fine.

3:43:05 SPEAKER_08: If confidence is a crime, lock me up, I'm doing time.

3:43:08 SPEAKER_08: And who needs a crown?

3:43:09 SPEAKER_08: I'm my own parade.

3:43:10 SPEAKER_08: Every move I make is like history getting made.

3:43:13 SPEAKER_08: So clap for Simmons, yeah.

3:43:15 SPEAKER_08: Bow to the king, I'm the star, I'm the DJ, I'm the next bitch.

3:43:19 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons, happy birthday to me.

3:43:22 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons, it's all about me.

3:43:25 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

3:43:26 SPEAKER_08: It's about me, about me, about me.

3:43:30 SPEAKER_08: Yo, Simmons, drop the MVP.

3:43:33 SPEAKER_08: The world's a stage, and it's all for me.

3:43:36 SPEAKER_08: I'm taking soapies in the mirror, getting hyped in my head.

3:43:39 SPEAKER_08: I'll autograph your body while the cake is spread.

3:43:42 SPEAKER_08: So follow me on socials, give me all your likes.

3:43:45 SPEAKER_08: I like to get to know you, but that wouldn't be my vibe.

3:43:48 SPEAKER_08: It's my party, and I can do what I wanna.

3:43:50 SPEAKER_08: Original prima donna, I'm a showstopper.

3:43:53 SPEAKER_08: So here's the me, Simmons, I'll gloat.

3:43:56 SPEAKER_08: You came for the party, but you stayed for the quote.

3:43:59 SPEAKER_08: Self-centered, maybe, but I call it self-care.

3:44:02 SPEAKER_08: Simmons forever, forever down there.

3:44:05 SPEAKER_08: Birthday to Simmons, happy birthday to me.

3:44:07 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to Simmons, it's all about me.

3:44:10 SPEAKER_08: Happy birthday to me.

3:44:12 SPEAKER_08: It's about me, about me, about me.

3:44:16 SPEAKER_08: Go, go, go, go, go, Simmons.

3:44:20 SPEAKER_08: It's my birthday.

3:44:21 SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna party like it's my birthday.

3:44:24 SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna party like it's my birthday.

3:44:27 SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna sip a party like it's my birthday.

3:44:30 SPEAKER_06: Go, Simmons, go, go, go, Simmons.

3:44:35 SPEAKER_06: Go, go, go, Simmons.

3:44:37 SPEAKER_06: It's my birthday.

3:44:42 SPEAKER_11: Nothing on the Consider Podcast should be considered legal or life advice.

Final Rap And Outro

3:44:46 SPEAKER_11: Each is admonished to seek a holy God and obey by picking up a cross to follow Jesus.

3:44:54 SPEAKER_11: The Consider Podcast.